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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:23 pm    Post subject: pdf reader Reply with quote

any good pdf reader out there ?

i have xfce

EDIT: Please help clear the PDF confusion may also be useful/helpful. --pjp.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using gpdf.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gpdf has my vote, but if you don't want all the dependancies you could try xpdf.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the bad thing with gpdf is that it can't open files that doesn't fit into UTF-8, i.e. if you have a filename that contains characters like å, ä, ö, ü and so forth, you have to open them using gpdf through a terminal, like
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gpdf thatfileofyours.pdf
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xpdf works quite well, but it's ancient, and not very nice to look at :-)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is wrong with acroread ? You can get the plugin for browsers too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vers_iq wrote:
What is wrong with acroread ? You can get the plugin for browsers too.

Nothing, except this "close it twice" behaviour which is driving me mad... is there a way to have acroread close immediately while showing a pdf?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is wrong with acroread ? You can get the plugin for browsers too.


I have found that the browser plugin (acroread 5.0.5, mozilla firebird 0.7) is very flakey and often eats up 100% of the CPU. When not run as a plugin, acroread often crashes during/after a find. acroread also has the strange "close the window twice to close the window" syndrome already mentioned. However, until gpdf improves its rendering, I would recommend using xpdf or acroread. gv and ggv also do a decent job rendering pdfs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

velox wrote:
I'm using gpdf.


I'm also using gpdf, but when i try to read pdfs with math symbols, these symbols are replaced by squares.

I think that this is happening because gpdf is using the same font that i choose in gnome's preferences, which is "Bitstream Vera Sans".

xpdf and gnome-gv (ggv) dont have this problems. They dont use the font from the gnome configuration, and dont show the squares.

Example: http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/primality.pdf
In the formula (1), gpdf shows lots of squares.

So... anyone knows how to fix it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes gv (ghostscript) renders PDFs better than gpdf or xpdf... sometimes it's the other way around. gpdf is generally faster, in most cases. The only viewer that can accurately handle all PDFs, for now, is Adobe's.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

efbrasil wrote:
So... anyone knows how to fix it?


i tried it with gpdf and no squares at all.. all fomulas look ok
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about encrypted pdf's... does gpdf not support these at all? i can open the encrypted pdf using xpdf but not gpdf. guess i just thought i'd be able to use gpdf to do it, since it is supposedly based on xpdf
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vers_iq wrote:
What is wrong with acroread ? You can get the plugin for browsers too.


It doesn't use the scrollwheel of my mouse, and this is annoying because one can get highly accustomed to the scrollwheel... like me. :wink:

It is also slow as molasses on startup and it plainly looks horrible. I'm talking about the UI here.

About the "couble click to really close" issue: This is feature, not a bug! :wink: Acroread always uses a mainwindow to display all PDFs in it. If you got several PDFs open at the same time, you don't have an equal number of Acroread's running. In Windows, this is nice to have IMHO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

psyeye wrote:
this "close it twice" behaviour which is driving me mad... is there a way to have acroread close immediately while showing a pdf?


CTRL-Q. Works for me.

As for using it as a pdf viewer, I prefer xpdf or gv; xpdf works with my mouse scroll wheel, and supports pdf bookmarks and hyperlinks, so I tend to use that more often. Either are faster and as capable as acroread vis a vis they files they can open. I don't miss the browser plugin at all -- I prefer using an external viewer, anyway. And -- best of all -- they both work perfectly on my ppc machine. Someone ought to tell Adobe (and Macromedia) that "Linux version" does not mean "x86 version".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, on my gnome desktop, acroread puts up a permanent splash screen.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like xpdf because I've occasionally seen gpdf render blank pages instead of the actual document contents (not sure why). I actually haven't tried acroread because the Windows version is such an unstable memory hog... (ranting trails off into the distance)
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2004 6:20 pm    Post subject: Same problem here Reply with quote

k9 wrote:
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What is wrong with acroread ? You can get the plugin for browsers too.


I have found that the browser plugin (acroread 5.0.5, mozilla firebird 0.7) is very flakey and often eats up 100% of the CPU.


It does that for me too. It's totally unusable. As soon as it opens within the browser the CPU ist starting to cook. :evil:

And acroread sucks in a number of other ways too. Apart from its utter uglyness, it can't make use of a scrollwheel so it's very hard to browse larger texts.

It's only true advantage is that I haven't really found a single PDF that couldn't be rendered with it correctly - as in opposition to gpdf and company.

Maybe the biggest disadvantage acroread has is its license. Closed source sucks. I guess acroread could be a real good program by now, licensed under the GPL or any other usable license. Even BSD style.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

acroreader is the only one that will display pdfs with any consistency and reliability. forget the rest (until they catch up), and until acroreader 6.x appears on linux, if it does.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i normally use xpdf, ggv and acroread.
xpdf and ggv are faster for most things.

but acroread renders nicer (fonts), and handles large pdfs (many pages or many picutres) better. imo anyway.

but xpdf and ggv start faster.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err.. who cares about start up time if the PDF rendering sucks???
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbradney wrote:
Err.. who cares about start up time if the PDF rendering sucks???


Well, I guess it depends on the type of document I am opening.
If I only want to check something (that will take me like 2 seconds), then start up imo does matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

getting a reader that you can then copy text from and then edit would be very nice...

(and don't say that that would defeat the purpose of pdf ... :? I know that, but many times I have needed to download a form and alter something before sending it back... can't be done ???? )
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't see why the gnome team doesn't drop gpdf in favour of ggv. mostly pdfs created with openoffice.org dont display and many others don't work too with gpdf. ggv makes an excellent job, reads *all* my pdfs correctly and doesn't take all of my cpu like acroread does.

so why is gpdf still included with gnome?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frodg wrote:
getting a reader that you can then copy text from and then edit would be very nice...

I know this isn't exactly the answer you're looking for, but I'd like to point something out which is really unobvious until you try it:
xpdf DOES allow text selection, just draw a box around the text you want and it's the same as selecting it in any other app. middle click to paste.
I believe acroread has a toolbar button to select text as well, but that app sucks :)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:44 am    Post subject: kpdf Reply with quote

I hopeful about kpdf. Currently its rendering sucks (for me at least) but it appears to be actively developed, so its only a matter of time before its good.

But hopefully Acrobat gets off its lazy ass and makes acroread better.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vers_iq wrote:
What is wrong with acroread ? You can get the plugin for browsers too.


emerge mozplugger
then also xpdf can be used as a mozilla-plugin ;)
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