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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:39 pm    Post subject: Recommended mice Reply with quote

Hi, I would like to get your input about which mice do you recommend using for Gentoo, and games in particular.

I am thinking about the newer Razer mice, but I also am aware of the fact that there aren't necessarily drivers which can be used in Gentoo. So you might get stuck with certain DPI and sensitivity and no way to change it below a threshold. This has happened to me already when switching from Windows, and wouldn't like to happen again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zowie fk2 for me is doing its job. You can configure basically everything you need from the hardware (mouse) itself; no extra bloat needed ever.
Once done with the configuration via hardware, all left is getting yourself the right sensitivity/accel via DE and/or game.

Configuring via hardware: https://benqesupport.blob.core.windows.net/esupport/Gaming%20Gear%20Product/UserManual/EC1-A/UM_ML_181207092710.pdf or just check a youtube tutorial.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the one and only: https://www.logitechg.com/de-de/products/gaming-mice/mx518-gaming-mouse.910-005544.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the MX518. I currently go between a G400s and an MX510 and they're very comfortable and well built. All three use the same geometry. I have a G500 at work (same shape but different buttons) and don't like it nearly as much.

I don't know if it's changed much, but Razer has had a reputation for low quality. I personally had a Deathadder mouse that lasted less than a year before the wheel stopped working, and I've heard other people online with similar stories. That said, always take online complaints with a grain of salt.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banana wrote:
the one and only: https://www.logitechg.com/de-de/products/gaming-mice/mx518-gaming-mouse.910-005544.html


I actually had that exact one! back in the day. Ended up going back to the smaller ones though: MX300 and MX310.

piep wrote:
Once done with the configuration via hardware, all left is getting yourself the right sensitivity/accel via DE and/or game.


Hmmm. That is actually pretty cool, although one would think that software drivers can provide more functionality. Is Zowie the only brand that allows you to do this?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Razer Deathadder Elite works great. The drivers don't allow you remap keys, only to change the rgb, but you can use xmodmap for that. Once you have the drivers installed and loaded, the sensitivity buttons change the dpi and give you a popup onscreen to tell you what setting you have just invoked. Highly recommended. I used Roccat mice for a few years and they had full-featured drivers that let you save profiles and remap. Not sure if they're still available, as Roccat was bought out by....I forget whom.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been using Microsoft mice as they're the only ambidextrous layout I know of with 5 buttons. Would prefer not to any more, their build quality's gone to hell.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bammbamm808 wrote:
My Razer Deathadder Elite works great. The drivers don't allow you remap keys, only to change the rgb, but you can use xmodmap for that. Once you have the drivers installed and loaded, the sensitivity buttons change the dpi and give you a popup onscreen to tell you what setting you have just invoked. Highly recommended. I used Roccat mice for a few years and they had full-featured drivers that let you save profiles and remap. Not sure if they're still available, as Roccat was bought out by....I forget whom.


That's good. Honestly I don't even need to change the RGB (I don't even need the RGB) but it feels always better to know that you have a way to make the device work.
I assume that with drivers, you are referring to "openrazer" ...?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elaman wrote:
bammbamm808 wrote:
My Razer Deathadder Elite works great. The drivers don't allow you remap keys, only to change the rgb, but you can use xmodmap for that. Once you have the drivers installed and loaded, the sensitivity buttons change the dpi and give you a popup onscreen to tell you what setting you have just invoked. Highly recommended. I used Roccat mice for a few years and they had full-featured drivers that let you save profiles and remap. Not sure if they're still available, as Roccat was bought out by....I forget whom.


That's good. Honestly I don't even need to change the RGB (I don't even need the RGB) but it feels always better to know that you have a way to make the device work.
I assume that with drivers, you are referring to "openrazer" ...?

Correct. There's an overlay for it and everything.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elaman

if you like RGB , go with Razer .here is the list of working hardware:



    Device Support
    Keyboards
    Device USB VID:PID
    Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2012 1532:010D
    Razer BlackWidow Classic (Alternate) 1532:010E
    Razer Anansi 1532:010F
    Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2013 1532:011A
    Razer BlackWidow Stealth 1532:011B
    Razer DeathStalker Expert 1532:0202
    Razer BlackWidow Chroma 1532:0203
    Razer DeathStalker Chroma 1532:0204
    Razer Blade Stealth 1532:0205
    Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition Chroma 1532:0209
    Razer Blade QHD 1532:020F
    Razer Blade Pro (Late 2016) 1532:0210
    Razer BlackWidow Chroma (Overwatch) 1532:0211
    Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2016 1532:0214
    Razer BlackWidow X Chroma 1532:0216
    Razer BlackWidow X Ultimate 1532:0217
    Razer BlackWidow X Tournament Edition Chroma 1532:021A
    Razer Ornata Chroma 1532:021E
    Razer Ornata 1532:021F
    Razer Blade Stealth (Late 2016) 1532:0220
    Razer BlackWidow Chroma V2 1532:0221
    Razer Blade (Late 2016) 1532:0224
    Razer Blade Pro (2017) 1532:0225
    Razer Huntsman Elite 1532:0226
    Razer Huntsman 1532:0227
    Razer BlackWidow Elite 1532:0228
    Razer Cynosa Chroma 1532:022A
    Razer Blade Stealth (Mid 2017) 1532:022D
    Razer Blade Pro FullHD (2017) 1532:022F
    Razer Blade Stealth (Late 2017) 1532:0232
    Razer Blade 15 (2018) 1532:0233
    Razer Blade Pro 17 (2019) 1532:0234
    Razer BlackWidow Lite (2018) 1532:0235
    Razer BlackWidow Essential 1532:0237
    Razer Blade Stealth (2019) 1532:0239
    Razer Blade 15 (2019) Advanced 1532:023A
    Razer Blade 15 (2018) Base Model 1532:023B
    Razer Cynosa Lite 1532:023F
    Razer Blade 15 (2018) Mercury 1532:0240
    Razer BlackWidow (2019) 1532:0241
    Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition 1532:0243
    Razer Blade 15 (Mid 2019) Mercury 1532:0245
    Razer Blade 15 (Mid 2019) Base 1532:0246
    Razer Blade Stealth (Late 2019) 1532:024A
    Razer Blade Pro (Late 2019) 1532:024C
    Razer Blade 15 Studio Edition (2019) 1532:024D
    Mice
    Device USB VID:PID
    Razer Orochi 2011 1532:0013
    Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 1532:0016
    Razer Abyssus 1800 1532:0020
    Razer Mamba 2012 (Wired) 1532:0024
    Razer Mamba 2012 (Wireless) 1532:0025
    Razer Naga 2012 1532:002E
    Razer Imperator 2012 1532:002F
    Razer Ouroboros 2012 1532:0032
    Razer Taipan 1532:0034
    Razer Naga Hex (Red) 1532:0036
    Razer DeathAdder 2013 1532:0037
    Razer DeathAdder 1800 1532:0038
    Razer Orochi 2013 1532:0039
    Razer Naga 2014 1532:0040
    Razer Naga Hex 1532:0041
    Razer Abyssus 2014 1532:0042
    Razer DeathAdder Chroma 1532:0043
    Razer Mamba (Wired) 1532:0044
    Razer Mamba (Wireless) 1532:0045
    Razer Mamba Tournament Edition 1532:0046
    Razer Orochi (Wired) 1532:0048
    Razer Diamondback Chroma 1532:004C
    Razer Naga Hex V2 1532:0050
    Razer Naga Chroma 1532:0053
    Razer DeathAdder 3500 1532:0054
    Razer Lancehead (Wired) 1532:0059
    Razer Lancehead (Wireless) 1532:005A
    Razer Abyssus V2 1532:005B
    Razer DeathAdder Elite 1532:005C
    Razer Abyssus 2000 1532:005E
    Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition 1532:0060
    Razer Basilisk 1532:0064
    Razer Naga Trinity 1532:0067
    Razer Abyssus Elite (D.Va Edition) 1532:006A
    Razer Abyssus Essential 1532:006B
    Razer Mamba Elite (Wired) 1532:006C
    Razer DeathAdder Essential 1532:006E
    Razer Lancehead Wireless (Receiver) 1532:006F
    Razer Lancehead Wireless (Wired) 1532:0070
    Razer DeathAdder Essential (White Edition) 1532:0071
    Razer Mamba Wireless (Receiver) 1532:0072
    Razer Mamba Wireless (Wired) 1532:0073
    Razer Viper 1532:0078
    Razer Viper Ultimate (Wired) 1532:007A
    Razer Viper Ultimate (Wireless) 1532:007B
    Razer DeathAdder V2 1532:0084
    Mousemats
    Device USB VID:PID
    Razer Firefly Hyperflux 1532:0068
    Razer Firefly 1532:0C00
    Razer Goliathus 1532:0C01
    Razer Goliathus Extended 1532:0C02
    Headsets
    Device USB VID:PID
    Razer Kraken 7.1 1532:0501
    Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma 1532:0504
    Razer Kraken 7.1 1532:0506
    Razer Kraken 7.1 V2 1532:0510
    Razer Kraken Ultimate 1532:0527
    Misc
    Device USB VID:PID
    Razer Nostromo 1532:0111
    Razer Orbweaver 1532:0113
    Razer Tartarus 1532:0201
    Razer Orbweaver Chroma 1532:0207
    Razer Tartarus Chroma 1532:0208
    Razer Core 1532:0215
    Razer Tartarus V2 1532:022B
    Razer Nommo Chroma 1532:0517
    Razer Nommo Pro 1532:0518
    Razer Chroma Mug Holder 1532:0F07
    Razer Base Station Chroma 1532:0F08
    Razer Chroma Hardware Development Kit (HDK) 1532:0F09

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
Been using Microsoft mice as they're the only ambidextrous layout I know of with 5 buttons. Would prefer not to any more, their build quality's gone to hell.

If you're looking for something ambidextrous with a similar shape and layout to the legendary Microsoft Intellimouse (I was, and it took me a while to find one), I highly recommend the SteelSeries Sensei 310. Build quality excellent, sensor fantastic, no gimmicky bollocks or strange shapes (besides the RGB, which can be turned off). Configuration utility (rivalcfg) in the jorgicio overlay.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hedmo wrote:
Elaman

if you like RGB , go with Razer .here is the list of working hardware:



Gotta say I'm RGB agnostic, I gravitate towards something really small ("laptop" mouse like legendary Logitech mini mouse). I had a look at the OpenRazer repo and saw that they have a merge request for a Viper Mini. If that gets to work, I think it's a no brainer. Hell if I knew s*** about s*** I'd even try to do the changes myself. Sounds like fun tinkering.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elaman wrote:
I had a look at the OpenRazer repo and saw that they have a merge request for a Viper Mini. If that gets to work, I think it's a no brainer. Hell if I knew s*** about s*** I'd even try to do the changes myself. Sounds like fun tinkering.


Elaman

go for it :D .it was not so hard for me to get the hyperflux to work
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can second the Zowie FK2. I have been using mine since around 2017, and it works great in whatever I plug it into, including its primary home of my Gentoo PC.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found out a secret about computer mice.

KVM switches with imperfect innards may not get along well with cheap $3 discount store mice.

I've had a few second hand USB "quality" (i.e., brand name) mice, and a few cheapies. They work ok when directly plugged in to a computer's USB port. But when they plug in through a KVM switch, the cheapies have a distinct tendency to act up. Real bad. Crazy behavior type of real bad. But why?

Mice are, or should be, standard HID (Human Interface Device) USB nodes. They should all work the same, because there is but one official HID standard. But they don't. My guess is that the cheapies cut corners on the HID standard in some subtle way that clashes with KVM switches disproportionately. I can't find anything on the Internet that backs up this guess.

The upshot? Chinchillas are more fun than mice.
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