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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:21 pm    Post subject: APIC error on CPU0 ? Reply with quote

Anyone know what this means? When I try to boot off the 1.4RC1 CD, it starts booting, but before I can type anything, I get "APIC error on CPU0" scrolling up the screen, and the box is locked up.
I have downloaded and burnt the CD twice, on different computers. My box is an MSI smp mobo, with 1 Athlon XP (MP modded) 1600+ cpu. I'm also using an ATA 133 [raid] card for the HDDs. The cd-roms are connected to the two onboard controllers. Could this be the cause? Red Hat 7.3 has been installed (with no errors) on this machine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

try to disable APM in the bios. and if you have any option for ACPI, then disable it as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveb wrote:
try to disable APM in the bios. and if you have any option for ACPI, then disable it as well.

APIC is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, not a power management thing.

See if you have any APIC-related settings in your BIOS; if not, try disabling Plug & Play OS.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, guys, I don't know what's causing this error! I looked in the bios for APIC, and couldn't find anything to change. For the record, I always have "Plug & Play OS" off when I run a linux distro on my machine, so that wasn't it either.
Guess I'll wait until I get my second CPU in here and try again - maybe it was an SMP error? Still, it has me puzzled. Wonder if it could be that RAID card as well?
Ah...I'd like to try Gentoo, as the gurus say it's faster than anything else available!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to bomb in late, but have you tried passing the option 'noapic=1' to the kernel? I can't remember if you can pass kernel options on the boot cd... anyone with The Knowledge prepared to weigh in?

Might help with your problems. I used to disable the APIC on my SMP box because it caused me terrible stability problems.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be cool to try - but how can I do that? I mean, it gives me the APIC error scrolling up the screen before it allows me to type anything.
Ideas?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

8) I just found out that it is definatly related to this box only - I mean, my CD is good, because it will work on my old Pentium Pro server box. So . . . anyone know how to disable this APIC thing? It seems to be a problem with SMP.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a motherboard... it is the Abit BP6 SMP... i also have APIC errors with both CPU's as i can see in the logs... usually it's pretty stable... when i was running RedHat... what would happen... occasionally... is the hard drive led would come on when doing heavy disk activity... and it would just stay lit... and then eventually... (it didn't take long)... the system would lock up..

I just installed Gentoo 1.4rc1 on this system... and i haven't had ne major problems so far... i added the kernel boot parameter "noapic"... but i still noticed an APIC error on one CPU... on bootup..

I think that this motherboard that i'm using has a little stability bug... or so i have been reading..

So i'm still getting APIC errors on both cpu's... but it doesn't seem to be harming the stability of the system so far... i still think it's a bug with the motherboard..
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jedman wrote:
So . . . anyone know how to disable this APIC thing? It seems to be a problem with SMP.


*scream* I missed the fact this was an SMP bios the first time around. APIC and my old SMP P3 box brought me nothing but heartache and sorrow.

I don't have a Gentoo CD here, but I'm fairly sure passing 'noapic=1' as a kernel argument should fix your problem. I'll try and find out if you can do this on the livecd tonight.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I looked, the default boot option on the 1.4rc1 LiveCD did include the noapic parameter.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think, you can't disable APIC in SMP systems. The reason is that at least "somthing" must assign the interrupts to one CPU or the other. They don't know of each others jobs, therefore another single component must administrate the IRQs.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jedman, do you still have RedHat running? If so, you can bypass the entire install CD kernel business and gestate Gentoo inside your RedHat, as is described in the alternate install guide. That way, you can always use a kernel that you make that works for you.

Strange as it may seem, for people who seem to have lots of trouble with the install CD (and the 1.2 one doesn't work for them either), I think it's a reasonable approach to put in some easy-to-install distro just long enough to install Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, shoot. I don't have Red Hat running anymore, because I tried the latest bios update on MSI's website, and it screwed the mobo! (I'm trying to figure this out right now). Neither WinXP or Red Hat 7.3 will boot now, and when I go into the bios, I can't change anything - when I hit enter on the highlighted option, I just get a blank dialog box, (with no options to change), and the machine locks up on me. Arrrgh!

Interesting side note; before I tried the bios update, I tried the old 1.2 install CD . . . and it did not give me the APIC error. (I didn't want to install it, however, because it is old, and I'd have to do a serious update!) What can this mean?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jedman wrote:
Interesting side note; before I tried the bios update, I tried the old 1.2 install CD . . . and it did not give me the APIC error. (I didn't want to install it, however, because it is old, and I'd have to do a serious update!)

It wouldn't really cost you much at all to use the 1.2 install CD. Just download a 1.4rc1 stage tarball and use that in place of the one on the CD, and you'll have a 1.4rc1 with just one extra step.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that's cool! Let me make sure I understand correctly:
You mean I can just boot with the 1.2 CD, then follow the install guide that I printed off for 1.4_rc1?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jedman wrote:
Wow, that's cool! Let me make sure I understand correctly:
You mean I can just boot with the 1.2 CD, then follow the install guide that I printed off for 1.4_rc1?

Pretty much. When you get to the "Unpack the stage you want to use" part, use a 1.4rc1 tarball, and you will end up with a 1.4rc1 system. I would do something like this:
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# mount /mnt/gentoo
# cd /mnt/gentoo
# wget 1.4rc1.stage1.tbz2 (put real URL in here of the one you want)
# tar xvjpf stage1-1.4rc1.tbz2

...and then continue as normal. You can remove the stage tarball after unpacking it successfully if you want. One thing to note: I am recommending doing the download into the Gentoo root partition, because otherwise you might overload the ramdisk that is / when booted from the 1.2 CD.

Let us know if you run into any problems.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2002 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I remember, you cannot disable APIC in SMP systems, but you should disable APM (why? Don't remember -- don't blame me, I'm getting too old).

meyerm wrote:
I think, you can't disable APIC in SMP systems. The reason is that at least "somthing" must assign the interrupts to one CPU or the other. They don't know of each others jobs, therefore another single component must administrate the IRQs.
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