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Ralphred
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 Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:14 pm Post subject: My "Gentoo"s are too stable. |
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Thinking back about 20 odd years, the "Gentoo Forums" were an invaluable source of information; I never had a problem that had not been encountered by someone else, talked about here, and [solved].
This meant for about 1~2 years, before I realised my own "experience" could be used to help others, this was somewhere I came when I had a problem, and it was invariably [solved].
Now, I made a point of creating an account and reading the forums on this "realisation", so as to be able to share that which had been shared with me previously. But here comes the rub - I don't really get "Gentoo related" issues anymore, thus no experience worth sharing outside of my "areas where pushing the envelope is normal for me", mostly being iptables, xfree86config/xorg.conf, and bridling pulseaudio - My Gentoo doesn't break, sometimes I break it, but installing stuff using custom patches and ebuild [something.ebuild::local] prepare/compile/merge and forgetting to "update portage as to the situation" will do that.
None of the problems people post on the forums here are even remotely close to any "issue" I ever face anymore: Is this the result of portage being "just better" than it used to be, or do I sidestep problems without thinking about it anymore, by doing things like actually reading after issuing an eselect news read command etc? |
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CaptainBlood
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Beside a few oddities of mine, I feel very much the same.
How many installed packages do you have?
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Ralphred
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| CaptainBlood wrote: | | How many installed packages do you have? |
Hang on, I wrote a GUI for this ... 1965 on this machine, probably ~2000 across all the machines I "administer".
Problems are just so "retrospectively predictable", sometimes I'll feel mildly compelled to write a "This is how I [solved] this" topic, but most are not worth it(?).
EDIT: This isn't the only forum I proffer "advice" in, and have seen a few "how to make blender use my AMD card to do rendering?" recently; by pure happenstance I looked at conky during a "render to avi" run earlier and saw my GPU was doing the heavy lifting - I have no idea how I made that happen, Gentoo "just werks" for me. |
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CaptainBlood
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Just asked, coz the less you have, the lesser chances are to raise issues...
3200+ here...
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Ralphred
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| Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| CaptainBlood wrote: | | 3200+ here.... |
That sounds like a lot; I have a fully functioning KDE desktop with all the bells and whistles, I'd seriously struggle to find another 1300 packages without using "Use=+*" or installing gnome alongside.
Is there something specific you do to pull in a lot of deps? |
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figueroa
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Agreed. Although I only have 1,414 packages, I find portage and the stable tree to be extraordinarily trouble-free.
However, after 20 years of use, I have reasonably safe and refined portage configurations. I don't have many USE flags in /etc/make.conf, mostly removing global USE flags, i.e. -systemd, and am careful to not pollute /var/lib/portage/world.
And, my systems don't crash, like never.
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CaptainBlood
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@Ralphred,
A lot indeed,
Let's say X11+Wayland, multiple WM in this respect, emacs.
| Code: | wc -l /var/lib/portage/world
615 /var/lib/portage/world |
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Ralphred
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| Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| figueroa wrote: | | and am careful to not pollute /var/lib/portage/world. |
Yeah, that's a thing I do too "No, you shouldn't be there, it's portage's job to install you if needed" |
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CaptainBlood
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should rule as a precaution measure.
is a later step in the process | Code: | * Always study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious
* mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always
* be kept. They can be manually added to this set with
* `emerge --noreplace <atom>`. Packages that are listed in
* package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by
* depclean, even if they are part of the world set. |
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