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Slyde Guru


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject: Why keep duplicate threads |
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| This is to the mods/admins, Why keep duplicate threads? Seems like a waste of resources. Wouldn't it be easy to just delete them. |
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antik Apprentice


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why keep duplicate threads |
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| slyde wrote: | | This is to the mods/admins, Why keep duplicate threads? Seems like a waste of resources. Wouldn't it be easy to just delete them. |
cos we can! _________________ "Yes, I know Linux runs faster, but they can do that because they have thrown out the weight of the airbag, collision frame and safety belt." —Poul-Henning Kamp |
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charlieg Advocate


Joined: 30 Jul 2002 Posts: 2148 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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If you send something to /dev/null, you can never get it back. And moderators are only human, they do make mistakes. _________________ Want Free games?
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charlieg Advocate


Joined: 30 Jul 2002 Posts: 2148 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and also so that people who post the dups don't go searching for their thread being unable to find it. They find it in 'Dups' and hence know it's been already asked. Deleting the thread would be like deleting duplicate bugs on bugzilla, people would just repost them. _________________ Want Free games?
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slimsam1 Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 130
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Because the fancy linux server we're on can handle them without any problem.  |
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nerdbert l33t


Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 981 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| slimsam1 wrote: | Because the fancy linux server we're on can handle them without any problem.  |
that used to be wishful thinking not too long ago. There used to be sticky threads in some of the non-english forum sections, were "useless" posts could be suggested for deletion. _________________ I'm really wondering what Lovechild is doing nowadays... |
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gsfgf Veteran


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| charlieg wrote: | | Oh, and also so that people who post the dups don't go searching for their thread being unable to find it. They find it in 'Dups' and hence know it's been already asked. Deleting the thread would be like deleting duplicate bugs on bugzilla, people would just repost them. |
And then we'd get a bunch of "where'd my post go" threads. _________________ Aim:gsfgf0 |
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hopstah Apprentice


Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Posts: 234 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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also, i think a purging of posts that go ~6 months without answer could be easily done, no? _________________ hopstah |
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nerdbert l33t


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| hopstah wrote: | | also, i think a purging of posts that go ~6 months without answer could be easily done, no? |
just post this at "Adopt an unanswered post initiative" and make sure to put on your flame proof body armor before  _________________ I'm really wondering what Lovechild is doing nowadays... |
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pilla Administrator


Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7192 Location: Pelotas, BR
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| charlieg wrote: | | Oh, and also so that people who post the dups don't go searching for their thread being unable to find it. They find it in 'Dups' and hence know it's been already asked. Deleting the thread would be like deleting duplicate bugs on bugzilla, people would just repost them. |
This seems to be our major concern.
Moved to GFF _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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masseya Bodhisattva


Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 2602 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I think the dupes forum is a great resource. I would highly recommend searching for solutions like this:
- Search the forum that you think the problem would fall into using various keywords and keyword combinations.
- Search *all* the forums using those same keywords and combinations.
- Search only the dupes forum using generalized versions of the keywords.
If everyone did this, fewer dupes would get posted and more problems solved faster. _________________ if i never try anything, i never learn anything..
if i never take a risk, i stay where i am.. |
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nerdbert l33t


Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 981 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| slimsam1 wrote: | Because the fancy linux server we're on can handle them without any problem.  |
since we are discussing this issue right now - forums.gentoo.org has been down at least 3 times today.
I hope it wasn't caused by me mentioning any server problems
I guess Murphy's law is involved  _________________ I'm really wondering what Lovechild is doing nowadays... |
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Decibels Veteran


Joined: 16 Aug 2002 Posts: 1551 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:47 am Post subject: |
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We keep dups so we can tell who keeps posting them and not using the search function. _________________ http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/
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mlsfit138 Guru


Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 406 Location: Washington
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have a little problem with the "dups" system. Many of the old threads such as the official p2p thread: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=5571 aren't used much because they are too large, unfortunately these large threads get very outdated. No one wants to hunt through 20 pages of outdated posts looking for an answer to their problem when it will probably be useless anyway.
Several of the threads that were similar to the official p2p thread became very active after they were first started, and then they were blocked. The official p2p thread remains dormant and outdated however.
Maybe a new system for retiring large outdated threads can be implemented. I really think they prevent some users from finding the answers they need. _________________ "Everytime you justify
another good in you dies"
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nevynxxx Veteran

Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 1123 Location: Manchester - UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I would also have thought that new information could get into a dup thread before it is duped. So you would be deleting things which could help someone, the main point of these forums afterall. Just because the question is a dup, does not mean the whole thread contains nothing of interest. _________________ My Public Key
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tomk Administrator


Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 7095 Location: Sat in front of my computer
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Just had an idea, but it requires more work from the admins. How about using an idea from bugzilla, when a large/informative thread is marked as a dupe there should be a link to that thread in the original thread. Something like: This post <link here> is marked as a duplicate of this thread. Obviously it would only be needed if the duplicate has any extra info the original doesn't.
Just a thought. _________________ Search | Read | Answer | Report | Strip |
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knefas l33t


Joined: 21 Dec 2003 Posts: 828
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tomk wrote: | Something like: This post <link here> is marked as a duplicate of this thread. Obviously it would only be needed if the duplicate has any extra info the original doesn't.
Just a thought. |
Yes, I agree with you, this could be nice... |
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mlsfit138 Guru


Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 406 Location: Washington
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think that this would be helpful, but it would still require the user to look through the 20+ pages of the thread (yes I know you can skip to the end), and I honestly think that this deters some people from finding what they need. _________________ "Everytime you justify
another good in you dies"
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pjp Administrator


Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 16029 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| tomk wrote: | | when a large/informative thread is marked as a dupe there should be a link to that thread in the original thread. Something like: This post <link here> is marked as a duplicate of this thread. | For the most part, this is already done (manually). However, I don't waste my time posting links to "chat" threads. i.e., "mine vs. yours" threads, where mine and yours can be DE, WM, editor, etc.
There is no perfect solution (available), so the Dups forum is a compromise. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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tomk Administrator


Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 7095 Location: Sat in front of my computer
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | For the most part, this is already done (manually). |
I don't think I explained it properly. At the moment a dupe will have a link to the thread it's duplicating. But I think that if a dupe has some interesting info, the original thread should have a link to the dupe. That way you''ll still have one thread for each topic but with references to dupes if they've got some usefull information. _________________ Search | Read | Answer | Report | Strip |
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mlsfit138 Guru


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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:39 am Post subject: |
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I think that the older threads sometimes stop being of any benefit to the forum users. I think that some of those older threads should be retired, and new threads be allowed to start up. _________________ "Everytime you justify
another good in you dies"
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