Systemd the only way now for Gnome 3?

Mercurioneo · n00b Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Posts: 67

Hello,

I am very new in gentoo. I would like to know if people here is using systemd or openrc. It seems that if you want to use Gnome 3 desktop environment you have to use systemd. I don't know if people using gentoo normaly install another desktop environment to use openrc or is using Gnome 3, Kde with systemd....

Thanks for your inputs.

py-ro · Veteran Joined: 24 Sep 2002 Posts: 1734 Location: Velbert

AFAIK Gnome3 in Gentoo only works with Systemd, KDE does not need Systemd.

Bye
Py

rapelotus · n00b Joined: 12 Sep 2014 Posts: 21 Location: 中国江苏

systemd is now a mandatory dependency of Gnome3. Normally, if you want to use Gnome3, systemd must be installed. But I once heared there seemd somebody had removed the dependency between systemd and gnome3 in Funtoo. I am not very sure about it. And usually, many guys using other desktop environment use openrc. But, whether to use systemd depends entirely on your own.

lexflex · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Systemd the only way now?

Mercurioneo · n00b Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Posts: 67

lexflex · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject:

It depends on your needs and also on your hardware.
xfce is a more lightweight desktop, with less fancy stuff standard installed.
KDE (and Gnome I guess) are more 'complete' , with their own set of applications standard installed (like their own emailprogram, browser , etc). That said, many of those applications or alternatives can also be used with xfce...
Better just look at the projectpages of some of them, and then just choose one. You can always switch later ( or even install two) .

Alex.

John R. Graham · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:07 pm Post subject:

KDE works fine. If you're coming from the Windows world, you might be most comfortable with KDE initially. The biggest criticism of KDE is that it's not very light weight (has a lot of eye candy, bells & whistles, thus a lot of dependencies). You can have more than one, though, and thus experiment.

- John
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py-ro · Veteran Joined: 24 Sep 2002 Posts: 1734 Location: Velbert

KDE(4) is the best KDE I ever had on any Distribution, because it is pretty vanilla.

KF5/Plasma5 ist not ready yet.

Bye
Py

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quinn_jones · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:26 pm Post subject: Try MATE

If you like Gnome but don't like systemd, there's always MATE (which is a fork of Gnome2). I run it and rather like it.

Mercurioneo · n00b Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Posts: 67

Thank you for your answers, I am finally using KDE, and I like it a lot. I am very surprised with it

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Ant P. · Watchman Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 6920

The subject title makes an incorrect assumption; Gentoo itself very rarely forces choices like that, and when it does it's usually treated as a bug to be fixed.

So, it's not the case that systemd is the only option, but only that Gnome3 no longer wants itself to be an option.

Naib · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:49 pm Post subject:

Its a funny history that this blog kind of covers (from gnome's pov...)

https://blogs.gnome.org/ovitters/2013/09/25/gnome-and-logindsystemd-thoughts/

GNOME were surprised that gentoo was making systemd a HARD-DEPENDANCY for gnome3 as it "doesn't hard-depend". It however does depend on a feature that systemd provides and other distributions mimicked (logind)
WTF gnome can newspeak spin that as "gnome3 does not depend on sysd" is another discussion

iirc it was something todo with login and cgroup segregation and a newer GDM didn't really clean up after itself and thus relied on something to isolate a users process (via cgroups) to kill them all. Why couldn't logging out of gnome clean up itself is another story, why could gnome itself manage cgroups is again another story,

Funtoo however were able to provide a shim/patchset to permit sysd-free gnome3.12 (maybe even 3.14) install. I thought such patches were absorbed into gentoo
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swanson · Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:14 pm Post subject:

For a display manager you could try MDM which is based off GDM 2.X and hence not (yet) ruined by Gnome 3 or systemd. It can aldo optionally use WebKit for HTML5 themes that I've been meaning to create but just haven't got round to yet. There's an ebuild in bug 428018, a couple of the patches no longer required for current source so I should update it.
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TigerJr · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 540

TigerJr · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 540

i just back 20 years ago while trying to install from sources MDM, many errors with function prototypes...

making changes in sources, i geting awful comments in mdm/daemon/verify-pam.c

TigerJr · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 540

Installed MDM but i can't input login\passwd. So hack didn't worked )
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