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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:50 am    Post subject: Crisis at NATO's gates. Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29053001

There's a photograph of a rebel standing near a tank, which I found quite interesting. NATO is fighting this and losing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NATO isn't doing jack shit, other than reassuring former Soviet satellite states who are now member countries that they have nothing to fear from increased Russian military aggression. Obama has made some meaningless speeches that have included tough-sounding words, the waving of hands and his best war face, but if you listen to what he has actually said, he has essentially given Putin the nod that he's not going to do anything to stop him from using military force to take as much of Ukraine as he thinks he can hold. I suspect this may even have been part of a pre-arranged deal between them. It's kind of hard to tell, because Obama waffles. He is the most indecisive leader we've ever had, particularly when it comes to time-sensitive emergencies. If NATO were going to take a stand on Ukraine, they should have made their intentions clear already. I may be wrong, but I suspect that the real purpose of this summit is for Obama to tell lies to the other member nations and make excuses for throwing eastern Ukraine under the bus (as part of his "having more flexibility after the election" deal). I'm not saying there was a need to go to war here, but you have to take a stand somewhere -- left unopposed, Putin would use military force to take as much of Europe back as he could.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NATO is fighting Putin's troops in Ukraine and losing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NATO is fighting Putin's troops in Ukraine and losing.

Dude. You suck at trolling.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your preemptive trolling will not hide the fact that NATO is just hot air and the real muscle behind is too scared of Putin and his army.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Your preemptive trolling will not hide the fact that NATO is just hot air and the real muscle behind is too scared of Putin and his army.

Your trolling is too transparent. See "inefficacious", "maladroit". :lol:

The Russians are terrified of NATO, which is modern, well-trained, and full of combat veterans. However, they are NOT afraid of Obama, at all. He is militarily inept, interested only in his domestic socialist agenda and that which may enable it, and at the nadir of his power as a President and western leader. They know that an opportunity such as the present only comes along every ten to twenty years.

At the internal level, the "crisis" in Ukraine is a civil war. Europe and Russia have been indirectly grappling for control, and instead of anybody getting it, it's going to break in half. But that grappling is indirect, for the most part (the exception being Russia's infiltration of large numbers of special operations troops and its very limited indirect fire support). Putin has kept his forces out of Ukraine (maintaining at least "plausible deniability") because he does not want to tangle with NATO, which he knows will kick his ass, at enormous political cost. What he wants is to get hold of eastern Ukraine without having a direct confrontation with NATO forces. He could indeed take Kiev in two weeks, but the end result would likely be hundreds of thousands of dead Russians and the loss of his throne.

He will continue to infiltrate special operations personnel and military materiel. He will keep it a "low-intensity conflict", fought as an insurgency against the (western) Ukrainian military for independence. Fighting for independence works in the global press, and it's a lot smarter than the gamble of Russia invading in force. Even if Obama agreed to let him have the ethnically Russian portions of Ukraine, the calls for action would be so overwhelming that he wouldn't have any choice.

This is why NATO is not fighting in Ukraine, and this is why you're not going to see NATO fighting in Ukraine. (I'll caveat this by saying I do think there's about a 5% chance that Putin will in fact order the Russian army into Eastern Ukraine in force).


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I rest my case.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
NATO is fighting Putin's troops in Ukraine and losing.

If NATO was fighting Russia, and losing, you don't exactly get to hide losing a lot of war planes. Russia couldn't resist parading about NATO plane wreckage (by a 'Ukrainian rebel', of course). Stop talking stupid.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality

Talk about stupidity and one example starkly stands out. So STFU. :P
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I rest my case.

See my post above your last one.

I was adding to my post, but you had already popped off. So I cut it out and put it below yours. Those were the two edits. Now you've gone and done it again, you premature ejaculator. :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality

Talk about stupidity and one example starkly stands out. So STFU. :P

I don't see India doing anything. Don't you have some cattle to perform fellatio on?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your trolling is too transparent. See "inefficacious", "maladroit". :lol:

The Russians are terrified of NATO, which is modern, well-trained, and full of combat veterans. However, they are NOT afraid of Obama, at all. He is militarily inept, interested only in his domestic socialist agenda and that which may enable it, and at the nadir of his power as a President and western leader. They know that an opportunity such as the present only comes along every ten to twenty years.

At the internal level, the "crisis" in Ukraine is a civil war. Europe and Russia have been indirectly grappling for control, and instead of anybody getting it, it's going to break in half. But that grappling is indirect, for the most part (the exception being Russia's infiltration of large numbers of special operations troops and its very limited indirect fire support). Putin has kept his forces out of Ukraine (maintaining at least "plausible deniability") because he does not want to tangle with NATO, which he knows will kick his ass, at enormous political cost. What he wants is to get hold of eastern Ukraine without having a direct confrontation with NATO forces. He could indeed take Kiev in two weeks, but the end result would likely be hundreds of thousands of dead Russians and the loss of his throne.

He will continue to infiltrate special operations personnel and military materiel. He will keep it a "low-intensity conflict", fought as an insurgency against the (western) Ukrainian military for independence. Fighting for independence works in the global press, and it's a lot smarter than the gamble of Russia invading in force. Even if Obama agreed to let him have the ethnically Russian portions of Ukraine, the calls for action would be so overwhelming that he wouldn't have any choice.

This is why NATO is not fighting in Ukraine, and this is why you're not going to see NATO fighting in Ukraine. (I'll caveat this by saying I do think there's about a 5% chance that Putin will in fact order the Russian army into Eastern Ukraine in force).
Adding words, lots of them, will not hide your trolling. The Russians are not afraid of NATO.

And you know very well, modern, slick and sophisticated means jack in a war.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
notageek wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality

Talk about stupidity and one example starkly stands out. So STFU. :P

I don't see India doing anything. Don't you have some cattle to perform fellatio on?
When Putin invades, the Euro fags aren't even going to defend you. They don't even consider you European, you potato eating sister loving yobs. It would suit you better to join up with Putin and house some missiles in your country.

This will also get NI its most sought after independence.

Get some spine.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When Putin invades, the Euro fags aren't even going to defend you.

Why would they ever bother invading Ireland? They'd have to have the slightest chance of invading the continent, first.

notageek wrote:
They don't even consider you European, you potato eating

So again, why bother?

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sister loving

Wrong country.

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yobs.

Ditto

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It would suit you better to join up with Putin and house some missiles in your country.

No, it wouldn't. We don't even allow US missiles and whatnot.

notageek wrote:
This will also get NI its most sought after independence.

N.I. doesn't seek independence.

notageek wrote:
Get some spine.

Get a brain.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would they ever bother invading Ireland? They'd have to have the slightest chance of invading the continent, first.
Lebensraum

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So again, why bother?
See above.

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Wrong country.
Nope.

aidanjt wrote:
Ditto
Nope.

aidanjt wrote:
No, it wouldn't. We don't even allow US missiles and whatnot.
Proving my point.

aidanjt wrote:
N.I. doesn't seek independence.
Typical spineless behavior.

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Get a brain.
Get a pair of balls.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to get banned again. :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're going to get banned again. :lol:

I don't know about you, but I'm in the mood for a big juicy beef steak... Mooooo.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Crisis at NATO's gates. Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29053001

There's a photograph of a rebel standing near a tank, which I found quite interesting. NATO is fighting this and losing.


Look at, so there we have the incontrovertible evidence for the Russian armor in ukraine!
And the soldier in front of the tanks, carries the latest Russian equipment
- Especially light-haired helmet, for the mouth region
- The actual helmet is almost invisible
- Protection safe vest for the abdominal region
- Google Glass like Info system, directly connected to the central office in Moscow

I can see visually how "Fogh of War" Rasmussen and the oligarch President, lie and rejoice together in the arms and shout

"we have told you all the time!"
"we have told you all the time!"
"we have told you all the time!"
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
notageek wrote:
When Putin invades, the Euro fags aren't even going to defend you.

Why would they ever bother invading Ireland? They'd have to have the slightest chance of invading the continent, first.


Apparently They have fear!
They are damned scared even!

Or why else would they are pulled together about 10,000 "policemen" to the golf club Celtic Manor?

Built huge long lines of defense?
Includes 6 warships in the area?
Tanks and even fighter jets stationed on the golf course?

http://media0.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/2932693043/1.3134234/width610x580/im-walisischen-celtic-manor-resort-in-newport-treffen-sich-am-donnerstag-die-28-nato-mitglieder-zum-gipfeltreffen.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77366000/jpg/_77366333_023740106-1.jpg

Or are the only fear of the local "separatists"?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or why else would they are pulled together about 10,000 "policemen" to the golf club Celtic Manor?

To defend them against the great unwashed. That's how all these political summits are.

Stop being a flipping idiot.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Crisis at NATO's gates. Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:
notageek wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29053001

There's a photograph of a rebel standing near a tank, which I found quite interesting. NATO is fighting this and losing.


Look at, so there we have the incontrovertible evidence for the Russian armor in ukraine!
And the soldier in front of the tanks, carries the latest Russian equipment
- Especially light-haired helmet, for the mouth region
- The actual helmet is almost invisible
- Protection safe vest for the abdominal region
- Google Glass like Info system, directly connected to the central office in Moscow

I can see visually how "Fogh of War" Rasmussen and the oligarch President, lie and rejoice together in the arms and shout

"we have told you all the time!"
"we have told you all the time!"
"we have told you all the time!"

Logic fail. Anecdotal evidence of B is not proof of "not A". Any other dysfunctional reasoning you would like to flamboyantly demonstrate for us.? Is it time for an asshat parade?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who has problems with logic, you are my friend!
Then only give a single proof for "A" first!

But also a proof wich can withstand a simple checking.
Not like the fake Satellite images, that could easily be exposed as such.


Otherwise we end up here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:
Who has problems with logic, you are my friend!
Then only give a single proof for "A" first!

But also a proof wich can withstand a simple checking.
Not like the fake Satellite images, that could easily be exposed as such.

Oh, they could easily be exposed as such? Then please do so. Otherwise, put a cork in it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breaking news from the NATO Summit:

Nato summit: Russia criticised over Ukraine crisis
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29056870

I wonder if they will muster up the balls to put that in a strongly-worded letter. :roll:
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