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Do you think they should bring back stage1 and stage 2 install to handbook?
Yea, I want maximum optimization on my Gentoo install
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No, I want to keep my "standard, unoptimized base system" on my Gentoo install
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Wut?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a Stage1 back in the days when I had a K6-3. It wasn't ricing, or perhaps only mild ricing. At the time I did my Stage1, I could find Stage3 for generic x86 and i686, but the i586 had gone by the wayside. Unfortunately the K6-3 was one or two instructions shy of i686. I believe I later may have reinstalled that machine, doing the "Stage1 on Stage3" trick.

That system is long-gone. It always did have thermal problems - I ended up writing a small throttling daemon to keep its heat production under control.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its probably worth noting for our newer readers that the poll option

No, I want to keep my "standard, unoptimized base system" on my Gentoo install
is invalid, as the only way to do that is to never update and Gentoo is not intended to never be updated.

@system packages are updated with the user selected optimisations during the normal update cycle, so you don't keep a "standard, unoptimized base system" on your install.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, the poll is fundamentally flawed, as jrg also pointed out. It betrays a complete lack of understanding about what a Gentoo install is, which is fine in and of itself -- we all started off as newbs, but makes the poll useless on these forums.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well sorry guys, I am a n00b, on a Gentoo level though, I could call myself an intermediate in Arch, which I have used before I tried out Gentoo, it's amazing how if an expert in Arch, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, or openSUSE, they are still Gentoo n00bs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get my optimized system my building my own custom stage3 and use that stage3 to install.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

owemeacent,

Gentoo is very different to a binary distro.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know right. It's really hard for a 14 year old to take in all this portage/ebuilds/kernelcompilation in such a short time
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

owemeacent,

No problem. You are among friends here. The only silly question is the one you never ask.
Be on your guard for incorrect answers though.

Everyone here remembers their first Gentoo boot, so you will get plenty of help without a read the friendly manual.
Well, you may get a reference into the manual to save on typing.

The real key to the manual install is that it teaches how to maintain a Gentoo system, while the install is still expendable.
Its very difficult to mess up Gentoo so badly it needs to be reinstalled though. My first install from 2002 (12 years old now) still works.
Its on its third motherboard/CPU and fourth set of HDD but its never been reinstalled. The box is retired but I power it on now and again to
update it.

To put things into context, consider how long you have been using other operating systems (including Windows) and compare that to the time you
have been using Gentoo.
You will find that you will be just as skilled with Gentoo as you are with the others when you have spent the same amount of time with it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I was actually wondering yesterday about the optimization of the system by using stage 3 instead of 1 or 2, glad I see the 'tip' about emerge -e @world which i'll run. Would have been better if I did it straight away though.

Personally i've never done a stage 1 or 2 but i think it may be fun to try at least once.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personally i've never done a stage 1 or 2 but i think it may be fun to try at least once.

Try LFS, it will be even more fun :D
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LowEndGeek,

emerge -e @world is overkill unless you have made major changes to CFLAGS
emerge -e @system will rebuild all of the stage3 binaries with your CFLAGS.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
LowEndGeek,

emerge -e @world is overkill unless you have made major changes to CFLAGS
emerge -e @system will rebuild all of the stage3 binaries with your CFLAGS.


Ahh thanks for the clarification, I don't mess with cflags, just march + use flags and the like (you know things that are more 'safe') so I won't worry then about an emerge -e


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LFS is also in my corsshairs. Thinking about doing it in a vm at some point but next up is slackware (just because i've never installed it)
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