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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Japan's war was very much one of racist aggression
I hadn't heard that. I always thought it was strategic opportunity.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
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The Census totally wasn't used to round up Japanese citizens during WW2 right?


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A great reason to avoid the census.


but there were many gun owners who could have protected them and basically no gun laws.

So... what went wrong?

Japan's war was very much one of racist aggression, and it provoked a racist response.


hm, compared to the treatment of asians in the USA and the agressive expanision into the lands of the natives, followed and accompied by mass murder and deportation - was Japan really that racist?
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While it's not nice to take "uncivilized" people's land and spread disease that decimates an entire population like the Spanish in the 15th century, or to take the land of "savages" and exploit or enslave them like all Western countries in the 18th and 19th century, it's an entirely different thing to, in the 20th century, seize by force the land and possessions of "inferior races", exterminate large portions of the population, and enslave the rest, raping the women and maiming and torturing the disobedient, and using them by the thousands as guinea pigs for experiments. That's what the Japanese were doing, and you Germans were different only in that you did it to your own people as well as others.

The U.S., being a largely agrarian economy at the time, may have held onto slavery a few mere decades longer than most European countries back in the 19th century, but it only dabbled in colonialism and never in the 20th century could it have engaged in the kind of imperialistic, racist, mass brutality Japan was engaged in at the time (and which all of Europe has in it's history, some of you recently than others).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the mandatory census isn't looking so bad now, is it? :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the mandatory census isn't looking so bad now, is it? :lol:
Do you dislike Japanese people, or is there a different group you're hoping is targeted?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the mandatory census isn't looking so bad now, is it? :lol:
Do you dislike Japanese people, or is there a different group you're hoping is targeted?

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the mandatory census isn't looking so bad now, is it? :lol:
Do you dislike Japanese people, or is there a different group you're hoping is targeted?


I am not sure what you are saying.

the fact that the census was used to round up japanese makes the census a tool. They were probably round up at gun point too, but that doesn't make guns bad.

the problem was a govt that decided to round up a particular race of people.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US fines people $100 for not participating.
The UK files people £1000 for not participating.
custodial sentence does seem a bit OTT :)

Now the UK has been doing national censuses for 200 odd years and this tyranny that is being described as to why Census are bad have not occurred here. The real question is *IF* a census was not available would Japanese during WW2 still been rounded up? yes they would have, did having a census to know how many help? yes, could such information be pulled from other already collected data? yes... funny that isn't it. The UK is planning on dropping the 10year census because of the cost involved and are considering it based upon population and other social growths can be determined from other agency data.

Now it wouldn't be as complete SINCE it was the census on the 70's that showed how poor the coverage of hot running water was (which kicked off a drive by all councils to help up the standard of living... something that would not have been available without such knowledge). Equally it is handy to know if some 5year plan to increase the number of schools due to a local population spike re. births (now this can be gleaned from birth registration).


Simply put Census is just a tool, tools don't do evil (as is the constant stance here :) ), those that misuse tools are evil and there are other tools todo the same job.
The constant end-game theory re tyranny is perpetuated which goes to show the lack of faith in any of the protection measures that exist from a legal stand point.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
The US fines people $100 for not participating.
The UK files people £1000 for not participating.
custodial sentence does seem a bit OTT :)

Now the UK has been doing national censuses for 200 odd years and this tyranny that is being described as to why Census are bad have not occurred here. The real question is *IF* a census was not available would Japanese during WW2 still been rounded up? yes they would have, did having a census to know how many help? yes, could such information be pulled from other already collected data? yes... funny that isn't it. The UK is planning on dropping the 10year census because of the cost involved and are considering it based upon population and other social growths can be determined from other agency data.

Now it wouldn't be as complete SINCE it was the census on the 70's that showed how poor the coverage of hot running water was (which kicked off a drive by all councils to help up the standard of living... something that would not have been available without such knowledge). Equally it is handy to know if some 5year plan to increase the number of schools due to a local population spike re. births (now this can be gleaned from birth registration).


Simply put Census is just a tool, tools don't do evil (as is the constant stance here :) ), those that misuse tools are evil and there are other tools todo the same job.
The constant end-game theory re tyranny is perpetuated which goes to show the lack of faith in any of the protection measures that exist from a legal stand point.


censi don't round up races; people do.

the NCA (national census association) plans to stop the evils of censi by have more censi everywhere.
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