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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dark Foo,

You didn't have hyperthreading set. The I7 has four cores, and four hyperthreads. If hyperthreading is not set in kernel, only the cores will be counted as processors. The hyperthreads will not.

You also had sixteen processors, and I chopped it down to eight. A small bit of cache is preserved for each declared processor, so set it to the proper number of processors, or in your case, processors and threads, and the cache allotment and processors match up, and there's no extra chunks of memory waiting for processors that don't show up. The rest was a touch of this, a dash of that, and some of the more recent additions to kernel setting needs.

Everyone,

The main site is back up and running on all cylinders.

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Thanks Pappy, I will double check the config is the right one when I have time, Don't feel like doing a double OS install today :?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand. Today is my don't work with anything much day, so I'm not going to do much that involves work today. We all need just one day to ourselves.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been using the same basic kernel config since I did a fresh Gentoo install in 2009, which the kernel at the time was 2.6.27. Since then I have been using a combination of
make mrproper
copying across my last .config then using
make oldconfig
make menuconfig or recently make nconfig
to update things I wanted.

I decided it was about time to sort out the config again and going from 3.8.13 to the current stable 3.10.7 I'd give kernel seeds a try. The PC I'm using has a 32 bit processor with cat /proc/cpuinfo reporting

Code:
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 6
model           : 6
model name      : AMD Athlon(TM) XP2000+
stepping        : 2
cpu MHz         : 1678.966
cache size      : 256 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips        : 3357.93
clflush size    : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 34 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management: ts


But when I try running make menuconfig the cpu is set to 64 bit, and a vimdiff between the config I downloaded from kernel seeds and the config after running menuconfig shows lots of changes.
I though initially it was the Gentoo Linux support options which were causing the update to the config, but I think it's being updated as part of dependency resolution.
If I run make oldconfig I am prompted for lots of input as if most of the config is being ignored.

Has anyone else come across this issue?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonathan183,

There are separate seed files for 32 bit and 64 bit. It sounds like you have the wrong one.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick reply ... first few lines of downloaded file
Code:
#
# Automatically generated file; DO NOT EDIT.
# Linux/x86 3.10.7-gentoo Kernel Configuration
#

#
# Gentoo Linux
#
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX=y
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_UDEV=y

#
# Support for init systems, system and service managers
#
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_INIT_SCRIPT=y
# CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_INIT_SYSTEMD is not set
# CONFIG_64BIT is not set
CONFIG_X86_32=y
CONFIG_X86=y
CONFIG_INSTRUCTION_DECODER=y
CONFIG_OUTPUT_FORMAT="elf32-i386"
CONFIG_ARCH_DEFCONFIG="arch/x86/configs/i386_defconfig"
CONFIG_LOCKDEP_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_STACKTRACE_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_HAVE_LATENCYTOP_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_MMU=y
CONFIG_NEED_SG_DMA_LENGTH=y


With md5sum 350781181dce9c8db979dc59455b76ab /home/user-data/websurfer/kernel-seeds-3.10.7-config
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonathan183,

Code:
# CONFIG_64BIT is not set
CONFIG_X86_32=y

That shows its set to build as a 32 bit kernel.

--- edit ---
If you are referring to the CPU set in the kernel config at
Code:
 Processor family (Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8)  --->

then go into the menu and choose your CPU ...
Code:
     │ │     ( ) Pentium-4/Celeron(P4-based)/Pentium-4 M/older Xeon     │ │ 
     │ │     ( ) K6/K6-II/K6-III                                        │ │ 
     │ │     (X) Athlon/Duron/K7                                        │ │ 
     │ │     ( ) Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8                             │ │ 
     │ │     ( ) Crusoe                                                 │ │ 


64 bit CPUs can execute 32 bit code, so you can build a 32 bit kernel to take advantage of the extra registers a 64 bit CPU has.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Solved Reply with quote

The problem is I make mrproper, then copy the kernel seeds config to /usr/src/linux, run make menuconfig - and save and exit without making any changes myself and now I have ...
Code:
#
# Automatically generated file; DO NOT EDIT.
# Linux/x86 3.10.7-gentoo Kernel Configuration
#

#
# Gentoo Linux
#
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX=y
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_UDEV=y

#
# Support for init systems, system and service managers
#
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_INIT_SCRIPT=y
# CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_INIT_SYSTEMD is not set
CONFIG_64BIT=y
CONFIG_X86_64=y
CONFIG_X86=y
CONFIG_INSTRUCTION_DECODER=y
CONFIG_OUTPUT_FORMAT="elf64-x86-64"
CONFIG_ARCH_DEFCONFIG="arch/x86/configs/x86_64_defconfig"

as the first few lines of .config
It's a 32 bit system and I made no changes ... only save & exit from menuconfig

I have the commands I'm using in a script I've been using for years
Code:
echo Check output of eselect is correct for symlink - press enter
eselect kernel list
read
echo Change to source folder
cd /usr/src/linux
echo Now clearing old compile info - press enter to continue
read
sudo chown jonathan /usr/src/linux/* -R
sudo chown jonathan /usr/src/linux
make mrproper
echo Copy config to source folder
[b]#[/b]sudo cp -p /usr/src/.config /usr/src/linux/
echo Next configure the kernel
#make oldconfig
make menuconfig
#make nconfig
#make gconfig
echo Now compile the kernel - press enter to continue
read
#sudo chown jonathan /usr/src/linux/* -R
make && make modules
echo Now install modules
sudo make modules_install
echo Now copy latest image to /boot/kernel-current - press enter
read
cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-current
echo Check kernel dates
ls /boot -l
#echo now re-emerge nvidia drivers - press enter
#read
#sudo emerge -av nvidia-drivers
sudo emerge -av xf86-input-evdev


Code:
websurfer@Desktop-PC ~ $ ls /usr/src/linux -l
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Sep 28 14:52 /usr/src/linux -> linux-3.10.7-gentoo


Code:
websurfer@Desktop-PC ~ $ md5sum /usr/src/.config /usr/src/linux/.config
350781181dce9c8db979dc59455b76ab  /usr/src/.config
791fa191891c214d4543213c3f650d70  /usr/src/linux/.config


Ed: commented out cp of .config :oops:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Solved Reply with quote

re-ran using debug option on make menuconfig and redirected the output to a file ... the last few lines below may give a clue to whats happening
Code:
 Successfully remade target file `scripts/kconfig/mconf'.
 Finished prerequisites of target file `menuconfig'.
Must remake target `menuconfig'.
Invoking recipe from /usr/src/linux-3.10.7-gentoo/scripts/kconfig/Makefile:24 to update target `menuconfig'.
scripts/kconfig/mconf Kconfig
Putting child 0x84cabb8 (menuconfig) PID 13183 on the chain.
Live child 0x84cabb8 (menuconfig) PID 13183
#
# using defaults found in arch/x86/configs/x86_64_defconfig
#


Actually - I just re-ran with my old config and got a .config with the same md5sum as my previous post
Code:
websurfer@Desktop-PC ~ $ md5sum /usr/src/.config /usr/src/linux/.config
d2623424e2d6122c12b77d912be403d3  /usr/src/.config
[b]791fa191891c214d4543213c3f650d70[/b]  /usr/src/linux/.config


So I guess I need to figure out why it's using arch/x86/configs/x86_64_defconfig

Ed: at some point I must have commented out copying the .config in my script (it's commented out in the above :oops: ) ... actually I must have done this when I copied my existing gentoo install over a funtoo install :roll:

Ed2: Thanks again NeddySeagoon for your help 8)

Ed3: I decided it was about time to tidy up my script a bit and add some comments ...
Code:
###   Script to compile kernel - with the sequence
###   ============================================
###   check linux symlink information using eselect output
###   change ownwership to kernel_builder_user (to allow regular user kernel compile)
###   if new option used then
###       run make mrproper to clear kernel compile information
###       copy .config from previous kernels (stored in /usr/src/)
###   then for new or recompile options continue with
###    run make oldconfig prompts for new features settings
###   run make menuconfig or make nconfig to configure kernel
###   run make and make modules to compile kernel and modules
###   run make modules_install to install modules
###   copy kernel to become new kernel-current
###   re-emerge xf86-input-evdev to ensure X mouse and keyboard input work

###   Script requires:- kernel_builder user with entries to allow sudo of chown, make modules_install,
###      and emerge. It also requires an existing /usr/src/.config and /boot/kernel-current
###      owned by the kernel_build_user.
###      sudoers entries can be specific for chown,make, and emerge to just combinations
###      used in the script ... no need for chown any_thing_you_want ;-)

###   definitions needed for script kernel_builder_user
kernel_builder_user=jonathan

### use ./kernel-compile.sh new to run mrproper and copy .config
### use ./kernel-compile.sh recompile to skip mrproper and copy .config steps
### use ./kernel-compile.sh with no option for help

if [ "$1" = "" ] || [ "$1" = "help" ] || [ "$1" = "h" ]
then

# hit Enter too early or forgot to add option
   echo Script file  $0 help information
   echo '~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'
   echo
   echo This script allows compile of kernel by user $kernel_builder_user
   echo
   echo use $0  new '          when compiling a fresh kernel (which uses mrproper and copies an existing .config from /usr/src/)'
   echo use $0  '                to display this help'
   echo use $0 recompile        '      to recompile kernel (skipping mrproper and copying .config from /usr/src/ steps)'
   echo

elif [ "$1" = "new" ] || [ "$1" = "recompile" ]
then

# do for compile cases

   echo The script allows compile of kernel by user $kernel_builder_user
   echo '~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'
   echo Check config file and kernel-current exist and are owned by $kernel_builder_user
   echo
   ls /usr/src/.config /boot/kernel-current -l
   ### check linux symlink
   echo
   eselect kernel list
   echo
   echo 'Also check output of eselect is correct for symlink - Press Enter to continue OR Ctrl-c to abandon'
   read

   echo 'Changing to kernel source folder ...'
   cd /usr/src/linux

   if [ "$1" = "new" ]
   then
      ### clear source tree and chown to user kernel_builder_user
      echo
      echo 'Next clear old kernel compile info (erases .config in linux source directory) - Press Enter to continue OR Ctrl-c to abandon'
      read
      sudo chown $kernel_builder_user /usr/src/linux/* -R
      sudo chown $kernel_builder_user /usr/src/linux
      echo
      echo Running make mrproper ...
      make mrproper
      # for debug of mrproper use ... make mrproper -d >> debug-info-mrproper

      ### copy config from /usr/src
      echo
      echo 'Copying kernel config to source folder from previous kernels ...'
      sudo cp -p /usr/src/.config /usr/src/linux/
   fi

   ### configure the kernel
   echo 'Configure the kernel - running oldconfig and then menuconfig or nconfig'
   echo
   echo 'Running make oldconfig ...'
   make oldconfig
   echo
   echo 'Running make menuconfig ...'
   make menuconfig
   # for debug of menuconfig use ... make menuconfig -d >> debug-info-menuconfig
   #    could probably use | tee have not played with this much. But could use
   #   tail -f /usr/src/linux/debug-info-menuconfig to check output in another console.
   # for nconfig use ... make nconfig
   # for gconfig (need to run in X) use ... make gconfig
   # for xconfig (need to run in X) use ... make xconfig

   ### check ready to compile the kernel and modules
   echo 'Next compile the kernel and modules (overwrites previous image in linux source directory) - Press Enter to continue OR Ctrl-c to abandon'
   read
   # dont think this step is needed ... sudo chown $kernel_builder_user /usr/src/linux/* -R
   # compile the kernel and modules
   echo 'Running make and make modules ...'
   make && make modules

   ### check if ready then compile the kernel and copy it to kernel-current
   echo 'Next install kernel modules and copy latest image to /boot/kernel-current - Press Enter OR Ctrl-c to abandon'
   read
   echo
   echo 'Install kernel modules ...'
   sudo make modules_install
   echo
   echo 'Copy kernel image to kernel-current ...'
   cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-current

   ### check kernel image date is correct
   echo
   echo 'Check kernel image file date is correct - should have todays data and be a reasonable size file'
   ls /boot -l

   ### if using nvidia drivers re-emerge them
   #echo Next re-emerge nvidia drivers - Press Enter to continue OR Ctrl-c to abandon
   #read
   #sudo emerge -av nvidia-drivers

   echo
   echo 'Re-emerging xf86-input-evdev to make sure X mouse and keyboard inputs work correctly ...'
   sudo emerge -av xf86-input-evdev

fi
### end of kernel compile script
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies for the long delay in this latest update. Concerns about car and money have been dominating my thoughts. Now that I'm a little more into the swing of things, maybe this can smooth back out a bit.

I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r182, 3.0.97, 3.0.97-gentoo, 3.0.98, 3.2.28-hardened-r2, 3.2.51-hardened-r1, 3.4.63, 3.4.63-gentoo, 3.4.64, 3.10.7-gentoo-r1, 3.10.13, 3.10.13-gentoo, 3.10.14, 3.11.1-hardened-r1, 3.11.2, 3.11.2-gentoo, linux-3.11.2-hardened, and 3.11.3 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

I think that may well be the most .config files I've ever set up in one session that wasn't a settings update.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it again. I hope you like lots of seeds, because there are lots of them. I've just uploaded .configs for 3.0.99-gentoo, 3.0.100, 3.0.100-gentoo, 3.0.101, 3.0.101-gentoo, 3.2.51-hardened-r2, 3.2.51-hardened-r4, 3.4.65-gentoo, 3.4.66, 3.4.66-gentoo, 3.4.67, 3.4.67-gentoo 3.10.15-gentoo, 3.10.16, 3.10.16-gentoo, 3.10.17, 3.10.17-gentoo, linux-3.11.2-hardened, 3.11.5, 3.11.5-gentoo, 3.11.6, 3.11.6-gentoo, and 3.11.6-hardened in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really hope you turned on hyper threading. what it does is assigns tasks to unused processor cycles. i hash out my own kernels on the regular.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyperthreading is turned off because it is an Intel specific setting. The seed is meant to be generic, and that means CPU specific settings are all turned off.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's going to seem weird, but I only have two new versions of kernel source. I've just uploaded .configs for 3.2.51-hardened-r5 and 3.2.52 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r183, 3.2.52-hardened, 3.2.52-hardened-r1, 3.4.68, 3.10.18, 3.11.6-hardened-r2, 3.11.6-hardened-r3, 3.11.7, 3.12.0, and 3.12.0-gentoo in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was amazed by the appearance of something that hasn't been seen in a while: new tuxonice sources! Woohoo!

I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r184, 3.2.52-hardened-r2, 3.4.68-gentoo, 3.4.68-tuxonice, 3.10.18-gentoo, 3.10.18-tuxonice, 3.11.7-gentoo, 3.11.7-hardened, and 3.11.7-tuxonice in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

It only took six days. Getting back into the swing of things.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just uploaded .configs for 3.4.69, 3.10.19, and 3.11.8 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if it's a sign of the apocalypse, but there was more tuxonice sources released today. When you add it to the new source releases in the past three days, you get the fact that I just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened, 3.2.52-hardened-r3, 3.4.69-gentoo, 3.4.69-tuxonice, 3.10.19-gentoo, 3.10.19-tuxonice, 3.11.7-hardened-r1, 3.11.8-gentoo, and 3.11.8-tuxonice in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

I know, it's not a sign of the apocalypse, but what the hell, I thought it was marginally funny.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r186, 3.2.52-hardened-r4, and 3.11.8-hardened in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's time to celebrate. It's Thanksgiving, so, eat, drink, be merry, and work on kernels. I've just uploaded .configs for 3.2.52-hardened-r5, 3.2.52-hardened-r6, 3.4.70, 3.4.70-gentoo, 3.10.20, 3.10.20-gentoo, 3.11.8-hardened-r1, 3.11.9, 3.11.9-gentoo, 3.11.9-hardened, 3.12.1, and 3.12.1-gentoo in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

As you all may have noticed, the seeds aren't flowing. There's a reason. It's called, "being really busy at work with a high likelihood I will remain fairly busy for the foreseeable future." Further, since my business requires me to keep good maintenance on my vehicle, it is much more important that I allot my free time where it will do the most good for myself, keeping the car in tip top shape.

That means the site is going to continue to fall behind. I don't really want to see that happen, but I can't work every waking hour without it taking a toll on me. I have to have time to decompress, and with the site's late seeds hanging over my head, I haven't really had time to just completely unwind.

For those reasons, and a few others, I would like to offer up the site to someone who has the desire to keep it up and running. You'd get all the files that make it work as it does at the home site. I would keep copies for my own historical purposes, but would no longer run the actual site itself, and would clear it completely from all my machines. I would offer pointers, practical advice, and the procedure I use to make kernel seeds via email, but would no longer work developing them or doing the research to keep them current.

To insure that it goes to someone serious, I am asking one thousand dollars for the whole enchilada. In my mind, a person who spends their own money on such a venture will do whatever it takes to keep that investment going. The time, effort, blood, sweat, tears, and years that have gone into the site are worth something, even if it's devoted to open-source software. The things I gained from the experience of running my own site has been very beneficial to me in many ways. I don't think it's absurd to ask for a bit of money to prove to me you're as serious about keeping the site up as I was to start it and keep it running through two years of abject homelessness.

I request that those with interest in this please contact me privately. I don't want this thread thrown off subject. I also don't want to read about what someone may or may not think about me wanting money for the site. Further, I don't want to read that in private, either.

It is my property. I can do with it as I like. I would like it to stay up and running, perhaps in the hands of someone who was inspired by my contribution to open software. I don't want to hear about how I'm somehow defaming the idea of open software by asking a mere pittance for a site that has generated two hundred and fifty thousand hits in the time it's been up and running.

For now, I am going freeze the site where it is currently. I plan on completely taking it down by the end of February If I get no interested parties.

Please, if you want to run your own site from your home, or whatnot, this is a golden opportunity to get a site that does have regular visitors.

Cheers,
Pappy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was looking for seed for latest vanilla. I now understand why I couldn't.

Thank you very much for everything Pappy.

I simply hope someone with your talent and expertise will take over.

Merry Christmas and best of luck in 2014.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone who would like to move to the latest sources with the seeds, simply use one close to the version you desire, and enter the command make oldconfig. That will update the seed to the source version you're using. Considering the amount of yes and no questions when migrating families, I recommend you use a seed close to the same version ie, if you're using 3.12.6, use the 3.12.0 seed.

Once that is done, you can work with the seeds as usual.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The site has been sold. I need the mirror ops to get in touch with me via private message here so that I might discuss what's going on with those who need more intimate information.

I will actually get back to answering the unanswered questions and trolling the kernel threads, like I used to do. In that way, I can keep contact with the community and help in a way that's a lot less labor intensive.

I would like to thank all of those who have helped make the kernel seeds an unexpected success. From the mirror ops to the users for whom I've made custom seeds, and everyone in between, I thank you all for the gift of my sanity and a slightly better developed business sense.

Cheers,
Pappy
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all your hard work Pappy! It's sad to see you go but I'm glad that the seeds will continue to be worked on. Have a happy holidays!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll still be around. I'm going back to answering the unanswered, and helping people with their kernels. I can budget a few hours for that, and it won't be nearly as taxing.

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