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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then I expect you will be happy to confirm that the Galileo story does not describe your views on climate science.

I will be happy to confirm that when Spinoza said "Do not weep; do not wax indignant. Understand." he was talking to you about your views on climate science.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then I expect you will be happy to confirm that the Galileo story does not describe your views on climate science.
It does no such thing, but it does illustrate the dangers of ignoring mistakes because something or someone has the science / scientist label.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is this a problem?

In the US at least, there is plenty to suggest the opposite is true. Creationists trying to squeeze intelligent design into school textbooks; climate scientists subjected to ideologically-motivated attacks (eg the hounding of Mann by Cuccinelli). There is very little respect either for individual scientists or the process of science on the right.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lesson learned from a mistake made by a famous "scientist" (wikipedia doesn't actually call him one) has no bearing on specific current events. It is merely a reminder to not implicitly trust interpretations as actual fact, especially from the highly respected and the intelligentsia.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Split off [split] you empty headed animal food trough wiper.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No-one in the world of science gets away with "interpretations". New ideas have to be backed up by detailed, rigorous arguments and (usually) supporting evidence otherwise they won't get published. Anyone is allowed to speculate but subjective interpretations on their own would not be allowed to form the basis of a formal theory.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pantsonfire wrote:
No-one in the world of science gets away with "interpretations". New ideas have to be backed up by detailed, rigorous arguments and (usually) supporting evidence otherwise they won't get published. Anyone is allowed to speculate but subjective interpretations on their own would not be allowed to form the basis of a formal theory.


Actually, no.

You can get flaky ideas published.

But in terms of hard science, there isn't as much peer review as you might think.
Not that many experiments are duplicated.

And just to demonstrate that there is not orthodoxy in science, and that there is "interpretation" I cite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation

New ideas get investigated, not "backed up."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you're just playing with words.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pantsonfire wrote:
Where is this a problem?

Oh, I think you know... at least subconsciously. Got a mirror handy?

pantsonfire wrote:
Now you're just playing with words.

Pointing out others' playing with words constitutes playing with words?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pantsonfire wrote:
Now you're just playing with words.


I am using words. it is what we do here,

And I have directly refuted a claim of yours.
In order to satisfy the burden of rejoinder, you must either defend your claim, or accept that it is false.
But then, you welch on bets, so I expect you to ignore all points others make.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is where he just calls you stupid and repeats something you have already refuted.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You were about to, weren't you, and then I threw off your whole process... :P

By the way, Here's a free class you can take from Duke University (just started Monday):
How to Reason and Argue

And here's another free course, this one from Stanford (starts end of September):
Introduction to Logic
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