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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:18 am    Post subject: Now You Can Buy 3D Printers From Staples Reply with quote

Now You Can Buy 3D Printers From Staples

With the Liberator, has the Guerrilla Liberty movement arrived?
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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$1,299.


Only to those who can afford it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First step toward price reduction.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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First step toward price reduction.

$8000 + firing pin and blank abs plastic = this.
Now watch the video and remember, like most men this only has one shot. So go slowly or that one shot will be gone and it will be ages before a reload is possible.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it will be cheaper to fly to Austria, stay a night in Vienna and buy a Glock and return back.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why download a gun to a 3D printer? You see, we now have the capability to strike the final blow to the MPAA by pirating and printing cars!

I believe the FSF has endorsed a 3D printer, but I can't remember what it was called.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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$8000 + firing pin and blank abs plastic
Is that just a random number, or do you know the printer used was $8k? If accurate, that's not as unapproachable as I'd anticipated.


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I think it will be cheaper to fly to Austria, stay a night in Vienna and buy a Glock and return back.
Not if you can't get it back into the country.


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I believe the FSF has endorsed a 3D printer, but I can't remember what it was called.
It was a "low end" printer, not yet capable of producing the printable weapon. Though Mr. DD is supposedly working on a "reprap" capable version.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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$8000 + firing pin and blank abs plastic
Is that just a random number, or do you know the printer used was $8k? If accurate, that's not as unapproachable as I'd anticipated.
It's from the article I linked to, that's the amount the guy said it cost.
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The gun was made on a 3D printer that cost $8,000 (£5,140) from the online auction site eBay.

It was assembled from separate printed components made from ABS plastic - only the firing pin was made from metal.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, interesting. I'd read Stratasys confiscated his printer when they learned what he was doing, and thought getting a license solved that problem. But apparently not if he had to resort to ebay.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3D printed guns could be banned in California

I guess you'll have to go through a background check to buy a printer?!?!?! Or just a background check each time you buy the compound?

I don't see any other way of controlling this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3D printed guns could be banned in California

I guess you'll have to go through a background check to buy a printer?!?!?! Or just a background check each time you buy the compound?

I don't see any other way of controlling this.

It's not like the Dunkin Donut robot, you don't just feed a blank in one end and it spits out a gun. I suspect, too, that the bargain basement model 3D printer such that PJP wants will not make a gun capable of firing a live round, the tolerances would be too varied and the thing would probably burst in his hand.

I think it would be like all those enterprising noddies that print $100 bills on their home printer and expect to be able to pass them off as valid.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been possible to make a zip gun for a long time, so doing it with a 3D printer isn't a huge leap. I don't know if "bargain basement versions I'm interested in" have notable limitations. They primarily use ABS, so it is probably a matter of whether or not that is a strong enough plastic. I'm not personally going to risk my appendages to find out. IMO, the primary point is to demonstrate the absurdity of the laws they've passed and are trying to pass.

If the $8k printer is viable, then criminals are easily going to come up with $8k if they need it (and the cost is likely to drop). You know, because they're already criminals, so they're not going to be too overly concerned with becoming a criminal.


As for banning 3D guns, all it really does is make possession a crime, so once again, law abiding citizens are turned into criminals. And people think these lawmakers are useful.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

US government orders removal of Defcad 3D-gun designs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22478310

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The US government has demanded designs for a 3D-printed gun be taken offline.

The order to remove the blueprints for the plastic gun comes after they were downloaded more than 100,000 times.

The US State Department wrote to the gun's designer, Defense Distributed, suggesting publishing them online may breach arms-control regulations.

Although the files have been removed from the company's Defcad site, it is not clear whether this will stop people accessing the blueprints.

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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL USA
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lolgov

"suggesting"? How 'bout you provide the law indicating such.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real question is when you'll be able to print a 3D printer.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
The real question is when you'll be able to print a 3D printer.


Right now.

Some assembly required, obviously.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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US government orders removal of Defcad 3D-gun designs

They should pass a law and call it the "closing the barn door" act.
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:lol:
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
:lol:

I actually think it is a really interesting topic. No matter how strongly you feel about gun control, you have to acknowledge that it will rapidly become impossible. Even those countries where it is currently effective will have to deal with the new world.

However, it doesn't mean that gun control laws are necessarily bad. For example, households with guns are much more likely to experience gun deaths (unsurprisingly). If you ban guns, even with the existence of 3d gun printing, you may still be able to make an impact on accidental deaths, since most people aren't going to 3d print a gun if it is illegal. If a madman wants to go on a rampage, the law will have no effect. But on the much more common types of gun incidents, it could still be effective.

However, the gun control groups usually use the madman scenario as their scary scenario to get people to support their side. With this argument gone, it will be interesting to see how they adjust their message.

More generally though, it is time for the gun control advocates to come up with new policies, since banning guns will be obsoleted.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs. Richard C Blum, nee Diane Feinstein, likes to try and ban guns from normal everyday citizens. Her indelible experience with the killing of Moscone and Milk was committed by a politician with a police issued gun if the information on the web is correct. She never tries to ban the access to a gun that was the cause of her own personal grief, just those of mere mortals. She has even stood on the floor of the Senate and talked about carrying a weapon herself. Good enough for her but not ... Nevermind.
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I wonder if this will be the precedent to now try and remove things like ied designs and such stuff from circulation.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogamol wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
The real question is when you'll be able to print a 3D printer.


Right now.
That is hardly printing a printer. The Tantillus is the closest I've seen (there may be others I've not seen). But they still use nuts, bolts, washers, bearings, rod, electronics, motors and hot end. So unless we're talking about the definition of "is," it isn't likely to happen any time soon.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand, even that gun used a nail as a firing pin. The only difference being that a box of nails is cheap and a hot end is not. At the very least you are able to print all the parts for a cnc table and that's a significant part of it.

I've seen versions where people have mounted a dremel to the table on a z axis and used it as a rudimentary mill. Edit ?y axis? I don't know how machinists orient their equipment in their mind.
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bogamol wrote:
On the other hand, even that gun used a nail as a firing pin.
Yes, a commonly available item, nearly impossible to regulate. And if a nail isn't available, there are most likely a lot of other items which could be used. Also, ammo. That's the part which will be regulated once they realize the stupidity of trying to regulate printers.
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