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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Ban Oil! Or bears! Reply with quote

The situation is unbearable!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta love the last picture.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gotta love the last picture.
lol

Reminds me of Rainier Beer bear... drank the Rainier, wouldn't touch the Busch.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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drank the Rainier, wouldn't touch the Busch

Haha :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As if they have something better to be doing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not allow missiles?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ban them both, oh government please save us all!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the government is saving us from missiles.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The town should move that deer-crossing to a safer location!", blurted Kaptain Kommie with the sophomoric, moralistic hubris we had long since come to expect from authoritarian collectivists brainwashed in the socialist Madrassas of the state-run public school system.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As if they have something better to be doing.
Damned lazy hippies.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
"The town should move that deer-crossing to a safer location!", blurted Kaptain Kommie with the sophomoric, moralistic hubris we had long since come to expect from authoritarian collectivists brainwashed in the socialist Madrassas of the state-run public school system.


naw. the only robbery i have witnessed occurred in the two years i lived in the US.

guns make us safer. if so, i want grenades. isn't that guaranteed by the 2nd amendment? after all, they don't specify which arms.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
"The town should move that deer-crossing to a safer location!", blurted Kaptain Kommie with the sophomoric, moralistic hubris we had long since come to expect from authoritarian collectivists brainwashed in the socialist Madrassas of the state-run public school system.


naw. the only robbery i have witnessed occurred in the two years i lived in the US.

guns make us safer. if so, i want grenades. isn't that guaranteed by the 2nd amendment? after all, they don't specify which arms.

They didn't limit any arms either. The Constitution did not state that the government could have rifles and the population would be limited to smoothbores.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the only robbery i have witnessed occurred in the two years i lived in the US.

And the only naked man running through the street being chased by another man trying repeatedly to kick him in the ass I saw in Europe, but I don't draw any generalized conclusions from it. :roll:

True story, by the way.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should ban oily bears.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
juniper wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
"The town should move that deer-crossing to a safer location!", blurted Kaptain Kommie with the sophomoric, moralistic hubris we had long since come to expect from authoritarian collectivists brainwashed in the socialist Madrassas of the state-run public school system.


naw. the only robbery i have witnessed occurred in the two years i lived in the US.

guns make us safer. if so, i want grenades. isn't that guaranteed by the 2nd amendment? after all, they don't specify which arms.

They didn't limit any arms either. The Constitution did not state that the government could have rifles and the population would be limited to smoothbores.


so why can't one have missiles?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the government is saving us from missiles.

wait, when did the bears get missiles? HOLY CRAP WE NEED TO BAN BEARS FROM GETTING MISSILES!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if a missile wasn't self propelled it would be ok. One would need a supergun like the British sold to Saddam. It wouldn't be all that practical for home defence and I would imagine the oppressive democrat regime might see it coming, so as a tool for a quiet coup it might be a bit underwhelming.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
I think if a missile wasn't self propelled it would be ok. One would need a supergun like the British sold to Saddam. It wouldn't be all that practical for home defence and I would imagine the oppressive democrat regime might see it coming, so as a tool for a quiet coup it might be a bit underwhelming.


I am just sick of Obama and his commie comrades telling me that I can't have missiles.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sikpuppy wrote:
I think if a missile wasn't self propelled it would be ok. One would need a supergun like the British sold to Saddam. It wouldn't be all that practical for home defence and I would imagine the oppressive democrat regime might see it coming, so as a tool for a quiet coup it might be a bit underwhelming.


I am just sick of Obama and his commie comrades telling me that I can't have missiles.

Individual firearms are adequate for all effective intents and purposes (deterrence of invasion through the ability to rapidly form vast militia, deterrence to state use of force in oppression of the masses, self defense, defense of family and property, etc.). The people need not be armed such that they could fight a balls-out war against the Nation's military, because the Nation's military is first and foremost loyal to the people and the Constitution.

That said, it is quite clear from our Constitution that it was never intended that the Federal government have a monopoly on the use of military force. I have no objection to professionally-supervised, organized militia maintaining, and training in the use, of heavy weapons (short of ICBMs, nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons). If some county or town wants to organize a militia and arm it with mortars, anti-tank guided missiles, land mines, and predator drones, it should be up to their state if they want to let them (and in my opinion, it should be legal for them to do so, provided they are kept safely under lock and key in a bunker and the same sorts of security measures are used to prevent their abuse; and, that means extensive security measures, such as maintenance of security clearances by a designated authority of their state, thorough and regular training, proper maintenance of the equipment, and the same degree of physical security used by the military).

In fact, that was really the original intent of the State Guard forces, but somewhere along the line, the Federal Government usurped control of them, renamed them to be the "National Guard", and only lets the states use them to the extent it doesn't otherwise interfere with the President's whims.

So, yeah, you should be able to have a missile, or a grenade, or a machine gun, but it shouldn't be under your sole control, and it should only be given to you under auspices of a local militia (i.e. a militia of your local government). Individual weapons, however, should be in the hands of individuals.

I also wouldn't object to restricting ownership of "assault rifles" to militia members, provided control of said militia was not interfered with by the Federal Government and left by the states mostly up to local governments.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:

So, yeah, you should be able to have a missile, or a grenade, or a machine gun, but it shouldn't be under your sole control, and it should only be given to you under auspices of a local militia (i.e. a militia of your local government). Individual weapons, however, should be in the hands of individuals.


where in the constitution does it make this distinction? Why doesn't what you wrote apply to firearms?
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So, yeah, you should be able to have a missile, or a grenade, or a machine gun, but it shouldn't be under your sole control, and it should only be given to you under auspices of a local militia (i.e. a militia of your local government). Individual weapons, however, should be in the hands of individuals.


where in the constitution does it make this distinction? Why doesn't what you wrote apply to firearms?

The Constitution doesn't make that distinction. It also doesn't say that abortion isn't murder. We have a judicial system to interpret it's broader intent in the current context, and a legislative system to create detailed law where such explicit distinctions are useful.

What I said does apply to individual firearms, as I have explicitly pointed out.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
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BoneKracker wrote:
"The town should move that deer-crossing to a safer location!", blurted Kaptain Kommie with the sophomoric, moralistic hubris we had long since come to expect from authoritarian collectivists brainwashed in the socialist Madrassas of the state-run public school system.


naw. the only robbery i have witnessed occurred in the two years i lived in the US.

guns make us safer. if so, i want grenades. isn't that guaranteed by the 2nd amendment? after all, they don't specify which arms.

They didn't limit any arms either. The Constitution did not state that the government could have rifles and the population would be limited to smoothbores.


so why can't one have missiles?

One can, if one builds one.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are workshops in Palestine for building missiles. Obviously, everyone there knows how to build them and fire them in a general Israel direction.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironically, the general direction of Israel, is also the general direction of Mecca, from their perspective.

Unless they're shooting north.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ironically, the general direction of Israel, is also the general direction of Mecca, from their perspective.

Unless they're shooting north.

So is the rest of the world. In fact Asia is a word derived from the notion of everything being East of Rome in the ancient Roman empire.
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