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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: 10 years after the illegal invasion and rape of Irak by USA Reply with quote

Illegal US-led Invasion of Iraq: 10 years, 190,000 lives, 2.2 trillion USD, Deficit, Global Chaos, Less Friends and More Lies

Congratulations, USA, for fucking up another country! Who's next?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After putting up with you, I think we're going to invade Spain next, and we'll burn it to the ground.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you are on another mission to bring democracy and freedom.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the pony is Greek.

Only a southern Euro could be so illogical.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I send you a box of Ouzo so that you have at least something to be proud of.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
I think the pony is Greek.

Only a southern Euro could be so illogical.


do you disagree with the OP?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps we should have left the rape of Iraq to Saddam.
He was doing a much better job.

I am reminded of Hitchen's (pbuh) remark: "Prison conditions at Abu Ghraib have improved markedly and dramatically since the arrival of Coalition troops in Baghdad."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/995phqjw.asp
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Old School wrote:
I think the pony is Greek.

Only a southern Euro could be so illogical.


do you disagree with the OP?

The Europeans should shut the fuck up as long as we need UN peacekeepers in Europe to keep you people from killing each other. Euros are no better than the fucking muzzies.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
juniper wrote:
Old School wrote:
I think the pony is Greek.

Only a southern Euro could be so illogical.


do you disagree with the OP?

The Europeans should shut the fuck up as long as we need UN peacekeepers in Europe to keep you people from killing each other. Euros are no better than the fucking muzzies.


I don't see how that follows.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fix your own god damn problems before criticizing others.

That is how it follows.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Fix your own god damn problems before criticizing others.

That is how it follows.


Ah. It doesn't follow.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A European bitching about US policy, while UN peacekeepers are in Europe protecting Europeans from other European's aggression.

If that don't follow, then I must assume you are being purposely obtuse.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
... you are being purposely obtuse.
It is called trolling.

BTW, Europe doesn't really need UN peace keepers. They're free to leave, anytime they want.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two UN Peacekeeping missions in Europe, namely in Cyprus and Kosovo. There is one in the Americas, namely in Haiti. Every single one is bad enough. There is none in the EU and only observers are being sent to the USA during the election fraud season.

Perhaps The People of the USA would feel better if their government accepted full responsibility and started to pay war reparations to the people of Irak. Seriously, that could be the beginning of a new era.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Old School wrote:
... you are being purposely obtuse.
It is called trolling.

BTW, Europe doesn't really need UN peace keepers. They're free to leave, anytime they want.


juniper isn't a troll, he's an upfront guy.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are two UN Peacekeeping missions in Europe, namely in Cyprus and Kosovo. There is one in the Americas, namely in Haiti. Every single one is bad enough. There is none in the EU and only observers are being sent to the USA during the election fraud season.

Perhaps The People of the USA would feel better if their government accepted full responsibility and started to pay war reparations to the people of Irak. Seriously, that could be the beginning of a new era.

Cyprus is in the EU...

Old School wrote:
A European bitching about US policy, while UN peacekeepers are in Europe protecting Europeans from other European's aggression.

If that don't follow, then I must assume you are being purposely obtuse.


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Initially, UNFICYP consisted of military and civilian contingents drawn from Australia, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Ireland and the United Kingdom, however over its long history the force has been the subject of various UNSC resolutions and reorganisations, and currently comprises contingents from Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Canada, Croatia, El Salvador, Hungary, India, Ireland, Italy, Montenegro, the Netherlands, Peru, Serbia, Slovakia, Ukraine and the United Kingdom.

No US personnel in Cyprus UN mission
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cyprus is in the EU...
I know. But the UN Peacekeepers are all on the Turkish side. :lol:

Seriously, the conflict on Cyprus also goes onto the account of the USA, which has continuously flooded both parties with weapons and credits for weapons. Totally nuts. Besides, that has nothing to do with the invasion of Irak.

Old School just feels sick because he knows I am right.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cyprus is in the EU...
I know. But the UN Peacekeepers are all on the Turkish side. :lol:

Seriously, the conflict on Cyprus also goes onto the account of the USA, which has continuously flooded both parties with weapons and credits for weapons. Totally nuts. Besides, that has nothing to do with the invasion of Irak.

Old School just feels sick because he knows I am right.

Might be the Turk side, but it is still occupied territory of the Greek side
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
Old School just feels sick because he knows I am right.


Of course Iraq was a cluster, and Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld will forever be blamed. To this day I cannot figure what kind of good outcome they foresaw. It has been too easy for modern US Presidents to enter a war, and too difficult for their successors to end them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I thought it was a good idea. I wanted Iraqis to have democratic freedom. I didn't realize two things:

1. They won't respect it until they earn it.
2. I didn't consider the relation to Israel and Iran.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
For what it's worth, I thought it was a good idea. I wanted Iraqis to have democratic freedom. I didn't realize two things:

1. They won't respect it until they earn it.
That needs to be rule #1 for US foreign policy.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
For what it's worth, I thought it was a good idea. I wanted Iraqis to have democratic freedom. I didn't realize two things:

1. They won't respect it until they earn it.
2. I didn't consider the relation to Israel and Iran.

Easily the most offensive post I've read in ages. I can't say if they earned it, but they sure as shit didn't deserve it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Old School wrote:
I think the pony is Greek.

Only a southern Euro could be so illogical.


do you disagree with the OP?

You don't think maybe this has anything to do with Obama precipitously and very, very publicly pulling our remaining forces out of Iraq for political reasons (so he could stick to version 3 of his "deadline" instead of making sound military decisions), against military advice and the pleas of the Iraqi Defense Minister? Of course not.

You don't think maybe this anything to do with Hillary Clinton's complete failure as Secretary of Defense and the disaster of a Middle East Foreign Policy she and Obama pursued, which has us supporting Shiites and fundamentalist extremists all over the place and abandoning just about every commitment we've ever made? Of course not.

Think maybe?

And, I'm sure you haven't noticed the all-guns media broadside fired by the White House and the entire liberal media phalanx (simultaneously over the last three days), going balls-out negative on Iraq, raking up all the old talking points that blame Bush, and COMPLETELY, ENTIRELY, managing not to mention even once, the topic of having pulled virtually all of our troops out (er, let me be perfectly clear... based on conditions on the ground)? Of course you didn't. What should I even ask?

What we're seeing is an all-guns-blazing media assault of, "Quick, before anybody brings up the withdrawal, or says 'I told you so' about pulling the troops out too fast or not secretly enough, do some quick Jedi Mind Tricks that completely erase that idea by blaming in the war in general." Hit the Turbo Brainwash button! Be sure to hit FlailBook and Shitter, to get the lemmings all chattering! I want to hear the echo chamber echoing.

And here we have it. Two days it was the media blitz in the U.S., and here we have one of the many echoes. :roll:

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain who just single-handedly lost this war, wiped out everything so many people died for, and made so many people's sacrifices worthless -- that is not the droid you are wanting to blame!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
Naib wrote:
Cyprus is in the EU...
I know.

Eurofapper who doesn't even know who's in the EU. :roll:

wildhorse wrote:
Old School just feels sick because he knows I am right.

No, he got trolled. Congratulations, phallus.

The other problem with all this whining about Iraq (besides Obama trying to avoid all blame for it falling apart because he very publicly and suddenly pulled all our remaining troops out), is that people are only estimating the costs, and they're dismissing benefits with a hand-wave. (here's where you want to knee-jerk, but are forbidden)

It's not insignificant that the tyrant Hussein is unseated and dead, that the oil supplies of the West are not threatened, that an attempt to create an Arab military alliance and movement against the West has been smashed, that Iraq's oil revenues are now being used to benefit its people, that Iraqs WMDs have been destroyed (stockpiles of chemical weapons), that the largest and most aggressive military force in the Middle East was soundly defeated by a numerically inferior Western force, that the leaders of nations world-wide have witnessed what happens to a government that thumbs its nose at the UN and defies global concerns, and have seen that the governmental infrastructure of a nation can be eradicated in days. It's not insignificant that the angry young men of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, and other Islamic states are now more busy fighting each other than focused on killing Westerners and waging Jihad. It's not insignificant that this war may have prevented or delayed by a hundred years a major clash of civilizations -- a World War.

We can never know what the course of history might have been had this war not happened. So it's impossible to quantifiably enumerate the benefits. It's pretty easy for detractors to point out the costs. By the same logic, the U.S. should have stayed out of World War II, the costs of which were Jovian by comparison.

But one thing's for sure, it's not Obama's fault for suddenly and publicly yanking all of the rest of our forces out, and leaving the Iraqis in a precarious a vulnerable situation without assistance.
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