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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:26 am    Post subject: More Faux News Reply with quote

Only Faux News would try to tell a story that an arctic creature evolved into a desert dweller ...

Oh, wait, it's an AP byline ...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Fox carries an AP article and you're suddenly on the side against evolution?

Polar bear supposedly evolved from grizzlies, or something like that. Man from amoeba, why not desert camel from arctic camel? The environments have commonalities which seem like they might result in sharing of survival traits.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm hoping, but cannot tell from your response, that it is apparent that my posting was intended as humor.

Fox News posted a story consistent with their meme, Anthropogenic Global Warming Deniers.
An Arctic animal evolves into a desert animal.

Because the Anthropogenic Global Warming meme is that warming will cause extinctions not just be another driver of evolution.

Yet they scammed the story from the AP. ...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't quite figure out your posts either. You have prejudged Fox, then feign surprise at an article you feel goes against that prejudice.

Aside from that, AP stories are "scammed" by most networks.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
Because the Anthropogenic Global Warming meme is that warming will cause extinctions not just be another driver of evolution.


I'm not sure what you think a "driver of evolution" is. Extinction can leave vacant niches and other species can evolve to exploit them. As such, it could be thought of as a driver of evolution.

Global warming will certainly create a mass extinction event. There's no question about that. Surviving species will adapt and diversify to exploit available habitats and food sources, eventually creating a similar kind of biodiversity to what we see today. However, this process isn't quick. Mass extinctions have been observed many times in the fossil record and it takes tens of millions of years to restore biodiversity - a timescale (almost certainly) many times more than all of the rest of human history.

The living world as we know it will be devastated and will never recover, at least from our perspective.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH MY GOD! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

50,000 people died in the horn of Africa recently as a direct result of climate change.

The f*ing arctic ice cap is melting.

How dumb do you have to be not to see what's happening?

The human population level will be dramatically reduced but we (probably) aren't going to become extinct, at least not solely due to climate change. A whole pile of other species will die off though.

In the late Permian extinction event, an initial warming of 5-6 degrees (CO2 from massive volcanic activity) hit some tipping points (including a massive methane burp from warming oceans) which added another 5-6 degrees of warming. Over 90% of all life on earth died off.

Expected species losses assuming warming of only a few degrees are about one third. However, it's looking increasingly likely that we're in line for 4-6 degrees which would make it almost certain that we will also hit tipping points which increase the amount of warming beyond that, perhaps dramatically so.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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50,000 people died in the horn of Africa recently as a direct result of climate change.


Yes, the locals were so desperately working together to face the challenges of feeding themselves that they didn't even notice that they were living in political turmoil and anarchy.

I know people that were flying food relief in the region 25 years ago. One of those guys tells of the militias machine gunning people over the food they had just given them. That was pre '93. Some things don't seem to change.

I remember watching, on cable, the CNN camera crews that were there filming the SEALS coming out of the surf at o'dark 30 to save the Somalians from themselves, having been sent by GHWB. Then of course there was the whole Clinton thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:


The human population level will be dramatically reduced but we (probably) aren't going to become extinct, at least not solely due to climate change. A whole pile of other species will die off though.

You mean the few species that are going to survive intensive agriculture.

mcgruff wrote:

In the late Permian extinction event, an initial warming of 5-6 degrees (CO2 from massive volcanic activity) hit some tipping points (including a massive methane burp from warming oceans) which added another 5-6 degrees of warming. Over 90% of all life on earth died off.

That's one of the theories, other theories do not require CO2 driven climate changes.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
mcgruff wrote:
50,000 people died in the horn of Africa recently as a direct result of climate change.


Yes, the locals were so desperately working together to face the challenges of feeding themselves that they didn't even notice that they were living in political turmoil and anarchy.

I know people that were flying food relief in the region 25 years ago. One of those guys tells of the militias machine gunning people over the food they had just given them. That was pre '93. Some things don't seem to change.

I remember watching, on cable, the CNN camera crews that were there filming the SEALS coming out of the surf at o'dark 30 to save the Somalians from themselves, having been sent by GHWB. Then of course there was the whole Clinton thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm67 wrote:
That's one of the theories, other theories do not require CO2 driven climate changes.


There is NO explanation for the late Permian extinction which does not involve huge quantities of CO2 released from the largest volcanic in history, the Siberian traps.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
I know people that were flying food relief in the region 25 years ago. One of those guys tells of the militias machine gunning people over the food they had just given them. That was pre '93. Some things don't seem to change.

I remember watching, on cable, the CNN camera crews that were there filming the SEALS coming out of the surf at o'dark 30 to save the Somalians from themselves, having been sent by GHWB. Then of course there was the whole Clinton thing.


What are you rambling on about? I'm talking about deaths which can be directly attributed to climate change.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Earth's climate was static for almost 4 billion years.

Then Man came along.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16606021

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/07/famine-in-east-africa/100115/

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39254#.UToi7FeyLO8

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2011/08/201188174931757878.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2011/07/2011727161129916789.html

There are many places on the face of this planet that have populations that are only supportable with supplies from outside their regions. The ones that do not regularly suffer famine deaths mitigate those threats through the use of transportation and commerce. The recent deaths on the Horn of Africa are due directly to the impediments of the flow of goods. There are many attempts at feeding those in need that are being thwarted.

Embrace evolution. Embrace migration. Embrace natural selection. Populations correct.

Maybe we should work together to solve our problems.

The UN Itself wrote:
3 February 2012 – The United Nations declared an end to famine conditions in Somalia today, but warned that the crisis in the Horn of Africa is not over and requires continued efforts to restore food security and help people resume normal lives.


You really should get with the times.

By the way the Tusker in Nairobi really is good and cold. 8) Well, cold.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droughts and other natural disasters triggered by global warming will impact (and are impacting) societies which might be wealthy or poor, well-organised or utterly dysfunctional, and everything in between. So what? The stressor which triggered this crisis is still climate-change-induced drought. The fact that a particular society is not well-able to deal with it is exactly why climate change will be so deadly in many third world countries.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
The Earth's climate was static for almost 4 billion years.

Then Man came along.


Actually, in a sense, you are correct. You need to adjust the scale of the x-axis to 11,000 years though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
Droughts and other natural disasters triggered by global warming will impact (and are impacting) societies which might be wealthy or poor, well-organised or utterly dysfunctional, and everything in between. So what? The stressor which triggered this crisis is still climate-change-induced drought. The fact that a particular society is not well-able to deal with it is exactly why climate change will be so deadly in many third world countries.


Still fighting evolution? What are you, some kind of evolution denier?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't fight evolution. What does that even mean? Gene frequencies in a population are never constant.

However, I do wonder about the wisdom of inducing a mass extinction event on the very same planet that we live on.
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