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padoor
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 Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: simply watching a DVD on Linux is also illegal in USA ? |
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| Quote: | The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) makes unlocking cell phones, ripping DVDs, removing eBook DRM, and jailbreaking tablets illegal in the USA. However, there’s another surprise: simply watching a DVD on Linux is also illegal.
This is why Ubuntu and other Linux distributions don’t include out-of-the-box DVD support, forcing you to run a command that downloads and installs libdvdcss from elsewhere – not the Linux distribution’s software repositories, or they would get in trouble.
If you are an American who’s watched a DVD on Linux, there’s a good chance the DMCA makes you a criminal. |
what way linux involved in dvd crime?
funny rules 
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rtomek
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No, the user owns the DVD, so they can do whatever they want with it for their own non-commercial personal use. It's illegal for others to provide software to the user that does the job without paying royalty fees to the patent/copyright holders. This is because doing so may prevent the owner from earning royalties for proper usage.
Uninformed author is uninformed. The linux distribution would be the ones on the legal hot spot for decrypting the users' DVDs for them, not the user themselves.
Also, gentoo includes libdvdcss because the US courts have decided that distributing the source code itself is not a copyright violation, but distribution of the binary application is. |
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aidanjt
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: simply watching a DVD on Linux is also illegal in USA ? |
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| padoor wrote: | what way linux involved in dvd crime?
funny rules |
If you use libdvdcss to decode the DVD, yes. If you use licensed DVD playback software (fluendo for e.g.) then you're ok.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| rtomek wrote: | | No, the user owns the DVD, so they can do whatever they want with it for their own non-commercial personal use. |
Sure about that? DVDs are licensed property, similar to software. In the US I believe that means no copying, even for personal use and no using software to defeat the copy protection mechanisms on the DVD.
Overseas from the US there are less draconian laws. |
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Wow! I did not know this.
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | Overseas from the US there are less draconian laws. |
It was cheaper to offshore liberty.
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sikpuppy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | Overseas from the US there are less draconian laws. |
It was cheaper to offshore liberty. |
If you say so. |
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| I knew this, I just don't happen to give a shit. |
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padoor
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | I knew this, I just don't happen to give a shit. |
probably you did not see the link page
shows person being arrested and hand cuffed for the crime
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| pjp wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | Overseas from the US there are less draconian laws. |
It was cheaper to offshore liberty. |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | I knew this, I just don't happen to give a shit. |
++ as well.
It's a bullshit crime. Why is it bullshit? you ask? Because there is no victim.
No victim, no crime...
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| Muso wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | | I knew this, I just don't happen to give a shit. |
++ as well.
It's a bullshit crime. Why is it bullshit? you ask? Because there is no victim.
No victim, no crime... |
But what about the poor DVD decoder programmer's companies who fired the programmer 15 years ago after initial development was done and hollywood execs suffering from people transcoding their DVDs to mp4 to play on their phones and tablets and DVD-less laptops, they're being robbed of the chance to sell the movie again on iTunes. :`(
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No "licensing" BS here.
LOL USA |
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| padoor wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | | I knew this, I just don't happen to give a shit. |
probably you did not see the link page
shows person being arrested and hand cuffed for the crime |
Did that really happen, or is it a drama picture? |
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flysideways
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Let's see ...
My television runs a kernel and busybox. I thought my dvd player did too, but can't find supporting evidence. There are gpl pages for some of the bluray set top players.
Oh, they mean in my computer? Well, it seems every retail boxed video card that I've bought in the last 15 years came with a software player. Every retail boxed dvd player that I've bought has come with a software player. Just how many times do I have to buy a decoder? Maybe those manufacturers could just include or exchange a windows license for a linux one? Or better yet, the people selling the movies could include the means to play them? Nah ... |
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| padoor wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | | I knew this, I just don't happen to give a shit. |
probably you did not see the link page
shows person being arrested and hand cuffed for the crime |
Did you click the link the to flickr page that image was taken from? It's just some guy who owns a pair of handcuffs and a camera and likes taking shitty "dramatic" black and white photos.
No one's ever been arrested or charged for watching a legally purchased DVD on linux, even though it's technically illegal to use or possess libdvdcss. | rtomek wrote: | | Also, gentoo includes libdvdcss because the US courts have decided that distributing the source code itself is not a copyright violation, but distribution of the binary application is. |
Distribution of libdvdcss, source code or binary, violates the DMCA. Simply describing the decss algorithm violates the DMCA. It's never been legally challenged because the government is afraid that if the Supreme Court got ahold of it, they'd strike down the DMCA.
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