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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Ohio poll worker target of investigation Reply with quote

Did Obama supporter vote 6 times in 2012? Ohio poll worker target of investigation

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The Obama/Biden lawn sign remains proudly planted in front of Melowese Richardson's Cincinnati home, three months after the presidential election.

It seems that President Obama has an especially ardent supporter in the veteran Ohio poll worker.

Richardson told a local television station this month that she voted twice for Obama last November. She cast an absentee ballot and then voted at the polls as well.

"Yes, I voted twice," Richardson told WCPO-TV. "I, after registering thousands of people, certainly wanted my vote to count, so I voted. I voted at the polls."

Authorities also are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people, too, for a total of six votes in the 2012 presidential election.

"I'll fight it for Mr. Obama and for Mr. Obama's right to sit as president of the United States," Richardson vowed when asked about the voter fraud investigation that is now under way.

Richardson is one of 19 people suspected of illegal voting by the Hamilton County Board of Elections in the last election.

"I'm outraged, and every voter, regardless of their political affiliation, should be outraged," said Hamilton County Board of Elections member Alex Triantafilou, who is also chairman of the county Republican Party. "It causes folks to have real doubts about the fabric of our very democratic process, and it's dangerous. It is disconcerting that someone would be so bold as to admit their conduct in such a fashion ... We fully intend to prosecute these cases."

Richardson claimed she had submitted an absentee ballot, but was afraid her vote would not count so she also voted in person. She also said she voted in the name of her granddaughter and yet another person.

"There was absolutely no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud," she insisted.

Richardson's granddaughter, India Richardson, confirmed to Fox News that her grandmother voted for her, by submitting an absentee ballot in her name. India told Fox News that she is not angry, and gave her permission to cast her absentee ballot.

"It wasn't a big deal," she said.

But election authorities say voting more than once, or in someone else's name, is a big deal because it is illegal and threatens the credibility of the nation's election system.

"It appears she not only attempted to vote more than once, but was actually successful at it and having those additional votes counted," Ohio Secretary of State John Husted, who is in charge of the state's elections, told Fox News.

"She appears to have used her position as a poll worker to cover her tracks. That would be someone who is an official in the elections process, using that position to commit a fraud. That is especially troubling to me, as the chief elections officer of the state, because it is my responsibility to make sure the system runs effectively, that it has integrity. When I find issues like this, I know that it undermines voter confidence in our elections, and we must pursue it."

Three other absentee ballots in the names of different people were submitted to the Board of Elections from Richardson's address on Nov. 1. Officials say the handwriting on those ballots is similar and that they were all received together, on the same day that Richardson's absentee ballot arrived at the office. Richardson maintains that some of the other voters live at her house.

Attempts by Fox News to reach Richardson were unsuccessful, but she claimed to the local station that the votes were "absolutely legal votes."

In written reports detailing the 19 cases, Board of Elections investigators described their findings. In one instance, an investigator called a suspected double voter and was hung up on.

"I explained that she voted twice and she told me not to bother her and get off her phone and she hung up," the investigator wrote.

Another voter admitted to double voting, but did not think it was an issue.

"The voter said yes she 'voted early' and then voted again, then she asked 'what's the problem?'" according to the report.

Yet another voter was at a loss for explaining why he voted more than once.

"Voter said he remembered both times. He doesn't know why he voted twice," the report said.

The documents show that another voter said he had received a phone call before Election Day telling him his absentee ballot would not count. When investigators questioned him about voting two times, the voter replied "'as usual, you guys are wrong.' ... he was curious about the investigation and asked 'Now what will you do' and 'are you taping me now?"

The Hamilton County Board of Elections is holding hearings to further investigate these cases.

"It is so fundamental to people's faith in the democratic process, that we need to act very strong to make sure that we are doing everything we can to keep people's faith," declared Triantafilou. "There is always the concern, though, that there are those situations where we didn't catch folks."

As part of a new effort to root out any voter fraud, Secretary of State Husted has ordered all 88 of the state's county Board of Elections to hold public hearings on any credible voter fraud allegations or claims of voter disenfranchisement during the 2012 election. He said any substantiated allegations should be turned over to prosecutors.

"Once the election is over, and once the winner is declared, everybody forgets about it. I want to make sure that we don't forget about it, that we make sure we do, essentially, an audit of that process to ensure that we know what happened, and then use that evidence to guide us going forward. ... We need to learn from that last election so that we can be better before the next one gets here."

"Fraud does happen," noted Husted. "Most attempts are caught by the system. But there are cases that do slip through, as this one does, and we need to make sure that we really send a strong message, that if you do this, you are going to be held accountable. It might mean fines, it might mean jail time."

Voter fraud, said Husted, "undermines public confidence in democracy, and that's why we need, whether you are a Democrat or Republican, to root out all cases of voter fraud."

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no problem. :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Voter fraud, said Husted, "undermines public confidence in democracy, and that's why we need, whether you are a Democrat or Republican, to root out all cases of voter fraud."
In a two-half party system there should be no problem. :lol:
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Old School wrote:
There is no problem. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The woman was just following age old Democrat voting practice by voting early and voting often.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been opposed in the past, but it seems time for election monitors. If nothing else, we'll see how credible they are in reviewing other elections.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been opposed in the past, but it seems time for election monitors. If nothing else, we'll see how credible they are in reviewing other elections.


Where I dump my libertarian cred is here. Proper ID that matches one individual. Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter. This is where I become peraia, and why I describe myself as a minarchist instead of an anarchist.

My goal = maximum possible liberty.

To achieve this, fraud must be eradicated first.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Muso wrote:
Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter.


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Exactly. And this is where I want to bitch-slap the myopic "true libertarians". They are advocating the theft of votes.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I oft quote the "those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither" and I think in the context you are talking about here Muso I think that it actually needs to be:

"Those who would not lift a finger to ensure accuracy deserve neither liberty or security"

I fully agree that "liberty" isn't voting without proper identification, that's pure ignorance. It's as asinine as refusing self defense in the name of "peace." Wake up people! There are those who would do you harm and cheat you! A minimum level of awareness and responsibility must be observed or you WILL be exploited.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
I've been opposed in the past, but it seems time for election monitors. If nothing else, we'll see how credible they are in reviewing other elections.


Where I dump my libertarian cred is here. Proper ID that matches one individual. Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter. This is where I become peraia, and why I describe myself as a minarchist instead of an anarchist.

My goal = maximum possible liberty.

To achieve this, fraud must be eradicated first.


right on,. comrade! The good of the many outweighs the good of the one, no?

Why don't you guys just do a big study? get a uni or something to do it.
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Muso wrote:
pjp wrote:
I've been opposed in the past, but it seems time for election monitors. If nothing else, we'll see how credible they are in reviewing other elections.


Where I dump my libertarian cred is here. Proper ID that matches one individual. Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter. This is where I become peraia, and why I describe myself as a minarchist instead of an anarchist.

My goal = maximum possible liberty.

To achieve this, fraud must be eradicated first.


right on,. comrade! The good of the many outweighs the good of the one, no?

Why don't you guys just do a big study? get a uni or something to do it.


No, what you advocate is minimal possible responsibility. Pretty much the polar opposite.
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juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
pjp wrote:
I've been opposed in the past, but it seems time for election monitors. If nothing else, we'll see how credible they are in reviewing other elections.


Where I dump my libertarian cred is here. Proper ID that matches one individual. Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter. This is where I become peraia, and why I describe myself as a minarchist instead of an anarchist.

My goal = maximum possible liberty.

To achieve this, fraud must be eradicated first.


right on,. comrade! The good of the many outweighs the good of the one, no?

Why don't you guys just do a big study? get a uni or something to do it.

because every time anyone attempts to get meaningful measurements of voter fraud, democrats have screamed then sued. they bitch and complain that you can only find empirical and anecdotal evidence of voter fraud, and then block every attempt to get scientifically valid evidence. it's like if republicans sued everyone who attempted to measure global warming, and then said global warming doesn't exist.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where I dump my libertarian cred is here. Proper ID that matches one individual. Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter. This is where I become peraia, and why I describe myself as a minarchist instead of an anarchist.

My goal = maximum possible liberty.

To achieve this, fraud must be eradicated first.
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Exactly. And this is where I want to bitch-slap the myopic "true libertarians". They are advocating the theft of votes.
It's all a matter of where you draw the line on infringement of liberty. IMO, with a proper solution to illegal immigration, the physical voter fraud would be as minimal as practically achievable. Ballot stuffing may be a more difficult nut to crack. The more fraud you eradicate, you lose liberty twofold (I'd say the loss of liberty is exponential as the amount of fraud decreases). Then there's that whole discussion of being $16T+ in debt and a supposed desire to solve that little conundrum. More government isn't likely to do it.
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This is the same story you posted before, is it not?
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This is the same story you posted before, is it not?


No. It is yet more evidence about the problem too many ignore.
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Every time fraud is allowed you will actually disenfranchise an actual voter.


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Exactly. And this is where I want to bitch-slap the myopic "true libertarians". They are advocating the theft of votes.

Do you guys know of any cases where someone's vote wasn't counted because someone else used his identity?
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dmitchell wrote:
This is the same story you posted before, is it not?


No. It is yet more evidence about the problem too many ignore.

I just checked: is is the same story.
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Do you guys know of any cases where someone's vote wasn't counted because someone else used his identity?
Does it matter? If both vote, there are too many votes, whether they oppose each other, or support each other. Even if the real person doesn't vote, it is still an illegitimate vote. A choice of not voting (willfulness, apathy or laziness) is then negated by someone stealing that identity. Or are you just curious if it has been verified?
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It matters because I would like to know if this is an actual problem or just a hypothetical problem. The costs of "doing something" will be actual costs not just hypothetical costs.
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Well, voter fraud has been confirmed, so I was curious of the significance of the fraudulent vote / denied vote. So there is an actual problem, with actual costs. Whether it is practical to prevent is another matter.
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'voter fraud' is easy to prevent:

national ID
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no voting machines.

But the first one would hit the Democrats and the second the Republicans way too hard.
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energyman76b wrote:
'voter fraud' is easy to prevent:

national ID
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no voting machines.

But the first one would hit the Democrats and the second the Republicans way too hard.
I'm opposed to a national ID, but I like Germany's solution to voting machines. At least what little I've heard of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

what you think why OBAMA concentrate on giving citizenship to illegally migrated person and why offer more jobs to public even the income is low.It is just for to show that he improving these thing its just a politics to get more voting from the general public by creating perception in their mind.
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