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keyboard and mouse needed for home pc?
take my keyboard and mouse from my cold dead hands
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I could do most stuff on a touchscreen, but need to keep traditional input sources around.
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take this legacy keyboard away! begone useless and clunky keyboard!
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Input devices? Why do I need them? I can control my computer through telekinesis/telepathy/...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Can you 'work' with tablet/touchscreen only computers for ho Reply with quote

Right now I'm making this poll with a smartphone. It sucks. Typing this prose is a pain but it's very doable...but I can't imagine maintaining a machine with it... sshing to my server to emerge --world was painful...and that's not even starting to debug merge failures...

But this is probably 'atypical' use of computers. I suspect that posting this poll on f.g.o the answer would be quite skewed but it's still interesting... can you do without a physical keyboard and mouse and still be as productive for home machine usage?

Remember your financial usage and story writing if you do that kind of stuff on your computer...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For typing, I've got a tablet with keyboard dock. Surprisingly, the keyboard, albeit small, is better to type on than the ThinkPad X230 (which is a shame). That way I can even do regular office work - until I need to print something.

Real work to be done - no chance with a tablet. Home use - mostly ok but you hit some walls.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OSKs are horrible. They're tolerable for typing very brief messages, but that's it. If I was typing anything at length I couldn't do without a real keyboard and mouse.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For home use - is updating/creating a spreadsheet (or using something like Quicken or gnucash) enough to require a keyboard?

What do people use at home that would require a keyboard other than development/running Gentoo (which would drive me bonkers to do with a virtual or even abbreviated (i.e., non 101-key or even 84-key) keyboard...)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
OSKs are horrible. They're tolerable for typing very brief messages, but that's it. If I was typing anything at length I couldn't do without a real keyboard and mouse.


++ I would say I am at about 1/5 the speed on an onscreen keyboard.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eccerr0r wrote:
What do people use at home that would require a keyboard other than development/running Gentoo (which would drive me bonkers to do with a virtual or even abbreviated (i.e., non 101-key or even 84-key) keyboard...)

Writing anything longer than twitter-sized texts.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I suspected so far, f.g.o users mostly report so far that keyboards are indispensable. I'm just trying to correlate this with the apparent drop in PC/laptop sales that seems to be happening with increase of tablet sales...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still waiting for the tablet that is also a real laptop. That is, not some after-market looking keyboard dock BS. (Someone suggested an existing device that kinda-sorta met those requirements, but IMO, not quite).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How should the keyboard be attached? The unfortunate part is that keyboards add quite a bit - double almost - of area and volume to the tablet computer...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, the keyboard dock for the Asus Transformer Infinity is excellent. It also adds loads of battery time, I must say: very well executed.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eccerr0r wrote:
How should the keyboard be attached? The unfortunate part is that keyboards add quite a bit - double almost - of area and volume to the tablet computer...
As an option which is detachable, weight/volume doesn't seem like a significant factor. Those interested will find it valuable, those not interested won't purchase one.

As for the design, not sure. I'm not a product design engineer. Something more integrated. My two main issues are what seems like a cheap/unreliable/flimsy/unsecure connection, and a lack of adjustability which matches a laptop. My laptop has an "infinite" adjustable range. Tablet keyboard docks seems to have one or only a couple of fixed positions.

I was skeptical of the hinge on my x61 tablet laptop, but it has worked and held up well. Perhaps something similar (obviously allowing for detachment). Example. Detail view.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As said, the keyboard dock for the Asus Transformer Infinity is excellent. It also adds loads of battery time, I must say: very well executed.
Perhaps. Looks like the cheap/unreliable/flimsy/unsecure style. Is it a single fixed angle?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, it's just like a laptop when docked. The only minor inconvenience: At some angle it becomes a bit top-heavy. Major: it lacks a nipple.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the TrackPoint for me is a requirement, but that aside, what keeps it held in place? It looks like it only rests in the slot.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite a firm hinge, so the tablet just stays in whatever position you've left it. Only time will tell how solid it actually is though.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like the tablet is secured into the slot solely on friction. I've not been impressed with that method of securing items together. Maybe it is sturdy enough that they expect it to last the consumable lifetime of the device. I can't see it withstanding the same usage as my x61 (excluding the drop).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tablet is locked into the keyboard with two latches. :)
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