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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The politicians won't let the people have the power, I mean the people are not smart enough to make solid decisions on their own, I mean actually the media is controlling everything"

Make up your mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.Willy wrote:
"The politicians won't let the people have the power, I mean the people are not smart enough to make solid decisions on their own, I mean actually the media is controlling everything"

Make up your mind.


All of the above. Private interest groups > media > politicians >>>> people.

So much for democratic process preventing powergrab. Well, actually it does. It prevents people from taking power from those who already have it.

But why do you support the structure if you are not the one in power? Life on farm that exciting?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of the above.

Good. Because it all boils down to the people's naiveté, unawareness of the political powers working against them and lack of decisiveness when these powers are brought to their attention. All of these are inverse to the attributes that someone in charge should have.
So if you are right and it is in fact not the people who are in charge, then the people still have noone but themselves to blame.

Also one thing I want to point out is that I am not supporting; I am observing. Why? Well, maybe I'm just content with my private interest group.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.Willy wrote:
Good. Because it all boils down to the people's naiveté, unawareness of the political powers working against them and lack of decisiveness when these powers are brought to their attention. All of these are inverse to the attributes that someone in charge should have.


Well, a buffalo cannot teach a cow how to fight back. What can you do. In the same way a cow thinks that life is grand, not having to fight back wolves and all, like those stupid buffalo's. Until its time for BBQ.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Dr.Willy wrote:
In a world where not what you say, but how you say it, is enough to cause a scandal, the art of talking without saying anything is mandatory for any politician.

I heard Governor Cuomo (New York State) last night say (and I shit you not), "I promise you we are going to rebuild New York back to what it's never been." :lol:
What he meant is the progressive, liberal, freedom loving city Nieuw-Amsterdam of the Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden. Wet dreams. It became the centre of a barbaric police state.

:lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.Willy wrote:
Prenj wrote:
All of the above.

Good. Because it all boils down to the people's naiveté, unawareness of the political powers working against them and lack of decisiveness when these powers are brought to their attention. All of these are inverse to the attributes that someone in charge should have.
So if you are right and it is in fact not the people who are in charge, then the people still have noone but themselves to blame.

This is much like blaming the rape victim.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is much like blaming the rape victim.


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"Because we can."

Actually I'm gonna buy an AK-47 now. :lol:

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Jung stressed the importance of individual rights in a person's relation to the state and society. He saw that the state was treated as "a quasi-animate personality from whom everything is expected" but that this personality was "only camouflage for those individuals who know how to manipulate it",[41] and referred to the state as a form of slavery.[42][43][44][45] He also thought that the state "swallowed up [people's] religious forces",[46] and therefore that the state had "taken the place of God"—making it comparable to a religion in which "state slavery is a form of worship".[44] Jung observed that "stage acts of [the] state" are comparable to religious displays: "Brass bands, flags, banners, parades and monster demonstrations are no different in principle from ecclesiastical processions, cannonades and fire to scare off demons".[47] From Jung's perspective, this replacement of God with the state in a mass society led to the dislocation of the religious drive and resulted in the same fanaticism of the church-states of the Dark Ages—wherein the more the state is 'worshipped', the more freedom and morality are suppressed;[48] this ultimately leaves the individual psychically undeveloped with extreme feelings of marginalization.[49]


from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That paragraph accounts for the mcgruffs of the world pretty well. Fanatical religion-like slavery and collectivist worship of the state. It's all right there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonekwacky bwutthurty? Awwww! There there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
That paragraph accounts for the mcgruffs of the world pretty well. Fanatical religion-like slavery and collectivist worship of the state. It's all right there.


Yeah, Jung argued that by our psychological make-up we are inherently "religious". Not in a sense that he promoted organized religion, but that there is this drive, spiritual, psychological, or whatever it may be, that compells us to seek a "grand solution", and that in that quest, we often cannot cope with not finding it, so we project and proclaim "this is it". Of course, it isn't, but the drive is so strong and impatient, that any dissident voices are taboo and herecy, and the weakest are worshipping it and defending it with fervor and irrationality, which are the qualities of ego.

It is interesting that zen buddhism treats it differently, with their notion that it is not the goal (because as soon as we make up our minds that "this is it", it automatically becomes a fallacy that begs to be disproved) but the seeking that is our inherent spiritual path. The only thing that muddles the path is the false notion of "this is it". Hinduism talks about "attachment".

When you look at "liberal" rhethorics (well ex. liberal I should say), what started as liberal movement of disproving the fallacies of the past, it coagulated into this cultural narrative that became dogma by itself. Clearly there is a gap between that picture and reality, even if you can only sense it by intuition. So former liberals became inquisiton and thought police of today, and are defending it with blind zeal. Hence the political correctness, something that was once means of disarming old oppressive notions became oppressive in itself.

Hell, even Terence McKenna talked about it back in the early 90's, and he was as true liberal as you could get in those days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OX77Qv66qw (not sure if I linked that earlier in some other thread).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bonekwacky bwutthurty? Awwww! There there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS8X2Qp_6aA :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHWEZ_IjcSk
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, a buffalo cannot teach a cow how to fight back. What can you do. In the same way a cow thinks that life is grand, not having to fight back wolves and all, like those stupid buffalo's. Until its time for BBQ.

Of course you're the buffalo and the others are the cows, right?

BoneKracker wrote:
This is much like blaming the rape victim.

No. It would be if more than half of the rape victim was like "Well, that was actually kindof nice".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course you're the buffalo and the others are the cows, right?


I am non-domesticated human. I can cooperate but I cannot be milked. Balkan injuns.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I see. Please explain how you cannot be milked.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh, I see. Please explain how you cannot be milked.


It's not milk.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
Dr.Willy wrote:
Oh, I see. Please explain how you cannot be milked.


It's not milk.

Come again?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
Prenj wrote:
Dr.Willy wrote:
Oh, I see. Please explain how you cannot be milked.


It's not milk.

Come again?


You cannot milk a bull.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
Prenj wrote:
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Oh, I see. Please explain how you cannot be milked.


It's not milk.

Come again?


You cannot milk a bull.

Sounds like sementics to me. :P
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
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