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Muso
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| juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Still waiting for individuals to realize that they are, in fact, individuals. |
I am not an individual 
people probably would, if others treated them as such. |
| aidanjt wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Still waiting for individuals to realize that they are, in fact, individuals. |
I keep telling stars the same thing, yet they still oddly keep insisting on grouping together in clusters and galaxies. |
| sikpuppy wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Still waiting for individuals to realize that they are, in fact, individuals. |
I keep telling stars the same thing, yet they still oddly keep insisting on grouping together in clusters and galaxies. |
Are you saying Muso is a giant ball of hot plasma? |
| aidanjt wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | Are you saying Muso is a giant ball of hot plasma? |
I was going to avoid connotations with gas... |
So a call to individualism == a call to personal attacks. Got it with you lot.
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sikpuppy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Pretty surreal to be called a personal attack, sorry if you thought I was attacking you. To be clear, I don't really think that Muso is a sunlike object. |
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juniper
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Still waiting for individuals to realize that they are, in fact, individuals. |
I am not an individual
people probably would, if others treated them as such. |
So a call to individualism == a call to personal attacks. Got it with you lot. |
Can't find the attack in my response.
I think you are making the mistake of wanting the world a specific way and whether or not the world is that way. We should treat people as individuals, absolutely. But with regard to this group, if only a small set of libertarians do that, it will ignore reality. I am not going to be gay bashed on the street, but a gay person might. |
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Prenj
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Still waiting for individuals to realize that they are, in fact, individuals. |
I am not an individual
people probably would, if others treated them as such. |
So a call to individualism == a call to personal attacks. Got it with you lot. |
Can't find the attack in my response.
I think you are making the mistake of wanting the world a specific way and whether or not the world is that way. We should treat people as individuals, absolutely. But with regard to this group, if only a small set of libertarians do that, it will ignore reality. I am not going to be gay bashed on the street, but a gay person might. |
We form our own reality, and people who's lifestyle or identity diverge from the oversimplified "norm" have no choice. They have to BE. When you interact you act as either enabler or disabler, you don't have to be an activist, but it still makes difference, so the choice is yours. Do you believe in people, or do you believe in 2000 year old wankery that prohibits it.
As for pragmatic choice, I see no reason not to support gay rights, even if you go full retard reductionist without involving empathy or "higher standards" you can deduce that more gays = less competition. Everybody is happy. |
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| pjp wrote: | | Q is questioning, not queer. |
Actually it stands for both, and you'd know that if you'd read the article.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Still waiting for individuals to realize that they are, in fact, individuals. |
I am not an individual
people probably would, if others treated them as such. |
So a call to individualism == a call to personal attacks. Got it with you lot. |
Can't find the attack in my response.
I think you are making the mistake of wanting the world a specific way and whether or not the world is that way. We should treat people as individuals, absolutely. But with regard to this group, if only a small set of libertarians do that, it will ignore reality. I am not going to be gay bashed on the street, but a gay person might. |
I think there's a significant probability you will be gay-bashed on the street. There are a lot of people out there to lump things like veganism, as well as geek-like mannerisms and behavioral quirks, into the "queer" bucket. I'd say in London, using public transit, you have about a 5% chance of this happening any given year. Stay there for 20 as you are, and it's a given.
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pjp
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | Q is questioning, not queer. |
Actually it stands for both, and you'd know that if you'd read the article. |
Whenever I've seen news coverage, they've been specific to mention "questioning" (if any details were discussed). Also, "queer" is often perceived as a derogatory term, not unlike "fag."
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juniper
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| BoneKracker wrote: |
I think there's a significant probability you will be gay-bashed on the street. There are a lot of people out there to lump things like veganism, as well as geek-like mannerisms and behavioral quirks, into the "queer" bucket. I'd say in London, using public transit, you have about a 5% chance of this happening any given year. Stay there for 20 as you are, and it's a given. |
Hmmm. I am not a vegan and I don't think people confuse gay bashings with vegetarian bashings. I for one have never heard of it. Also, vegetarianism is very popular here. Also, I don't kiss my vegetables or hold their hands, so just looking at me you can't really tell.
While I am interest wise geeky (aren't we all), I am not built like a geek (6 '4', 210 lbs). I would say 90% of people use public transit to get to work, so I am not out of the norm here that way.
Sorry, I don't see it happening. London is a pretty quirky place. I see all types in the city. People are used to it. |
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Okay. Well, if you're 6'4", I don't think you'll get gay-bashed unless maybe you go out with assless chaps and eye liner, and have too many apple martinis. Still, it's a non-zero probability.
Now, admit you've never been to the East End, except maybe in a Taxi or bus you never stepped out of.
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juniper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | Okay. Well, if you're 6'4", I don't think you'll get gay-bashed unless maybe you go out with assless chaps and eye liner, and have too many apple martinis. Still, it's a non-zero probability.
Now, admit you've never been to the East End, except maybe in a Taxi or bus you never stepped out of. |
Winning the lottery has non-zero probability, but I don't plan for it.
I think you have never been there. I don't know what post apocalyptic pictures you are looking at, but it clearly isn't what you think (or I am a poor judge of danger; despite my size I am pretty cautious.).
You do know that serious tourist destinations (brick lane), the olympics, and some really trendy neighbourhoods are there (shoreditch), right? But I have also been to Tower Hamlets. Yeah, I am not going to walk there with buckets of gold at 2am, but it isn't a war zone. There were certainly more areas of Boston I wouldn't go. |
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Yeah, but Boston's not representative, having so many Irish. Anbody would gingerphobia would feel that way in Boston. And the accent... it's like fingernails on a chalkboard!
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BonezTheGoon
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At this rate couldn't we just call them the "Scrabble Brigade" and be done with it?
Or the "I identify my sexuality with a letter of the Alphabet Brigade" (IIMSWALOTAB) I mean it's not much different from what they are using now!
While I am sympathetic to their ACTUAL issues, such as equal rights, and hate crimes against them, I just do not understand trying to ensure every letter of the alphabet and every conceivable combination of sexual orientation needs to be included in the referencing of them as a group. Why not just insist on including every persons NAME in the group reference of them?!?! It's about as realistic both logistically and logically.
I mean LBGT was workable, and that's what I generally say and intend to continue to say.
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It's like that episode of South Park where the Vampire kids were pissed off that people kept mistaking them for being Goth kids.
Nonconformists with herd mentalities.
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Muso
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| juniper wrote: | | Can't find the attack in my response. |
Actually, that was bad editing on my part. Sorry. I just felt that the " " was earned by your post. The others decided to enter into the personal attacks.
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BonezTheGoon
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Nonconformists with herd mentalities. |
Right, "I am unique! Just like them!"
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| BoneKracker wrote: | It's like that episode of South Park where the Vampire kids were pissed off that people kept mistaking them for being Goth kids.
Nonconformists with herd mentalities. |
the other way round.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | Are you saying Muso is a giant ball of hot plasma? |
I was going to avoid connotations with gas... |
So a call to individualism == a call to personal attacks. Got it with you lot. |
Can't take a joke 
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | It's like that episode of South Park where the Vampire kids were pissed off that people kept mistaking them for being Goth kids.
Nonconformists with herd mentalities. |
the other way round. |
Herds with nonconformist mentalities?
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | It's like that episode of South Park where the Vampire kids were pissed off that people kept mistaking them for being Goth kids.
Nonconformists with herd mentalities. |
the other way round. |
Herds with nonconformist mentalities? |
goth kids were pissed off being mistaken for fucking shiteating vampire kids.
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