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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | I didn't see any people chucking dismembered arms at bystanders in your examples of unreported gun violence. Perhaps you have missed the point entirely.  |
hmmm. i can't make it any clearer.
you: thesis, one piece of evidence.
me: 5 pieces, counter evidence. |
Yup. You missed the point. :sigh:
You are trying to equate routine homicides with an obviously spectacular and gruesome crime of sensation value to opportunistic media. Nobody is interested "Dashawn Wilkins was DOA at Detroit Memorial Hospital after a drive by in urban Detroit". However, everybody is going to be glued to their TV set to hear about some dude flinging his victim's dismembered arms at onlookers. So why wouldn't such a story get coverage by the big networks? It would, unless somebody (several people, in several parallel operations) said "no" to it, overriding the normal process of bubbling such sensational stuff to the top. Somebody quashed it. Why? I don't know, but my guess would be because It doesn't support their current dialog.
Your five pieces of "counter evidence" aren't relevant unless they are equally sensational.
You usually put more thought into your posts. Why so mindless on this particular issue?
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juniper
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I didn't see any people chucking dismembered arms at bystanders in your examples of unreported gun violence. Perhaps you have missed the point entirely. |
hmmm. i can't make it any clearer.
you: thesis, one piece of evidence.
me: 5 pieces, counter evidence. |
Yup. You missed the point. :sigh:
You are trying to equate routine homicides with an obviously spectacular and gruesome crime of sensation value to opportunistic media. Nobody is interested "Dashawn Wilkins was DOA at Detroit Memorial Hospital after a drive by in urban Detroit". However, everybody is going to be glued to their TV set to hear about some dude flinging his victim's dismembered arms at onlookers. So why wouldn't such a story get coverage by the big networks? It would, unless somebody (several people, in several parallel operations) said "no" to it, overriding the normal process of bubbling such sensational stuff to the top. Somebody quashed it. Why? I don't know, but my guess would be because It doesn't support their current dialog.
Your five pieces of "counter evidence" aren't relevant unless they are equally sensational.
You usually put more thought into your posts. Why so mindless on this particular issue? |
I guess you didn't get your point either. Let me help you out. here is what you said.
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Why? I don't know, but my guess would be because It doesn't support their current dialog. |
what is this current dialog? you suggested suppressing violent non-gun attacks while sensationalizing gun attacks. Now, unless chicago is an outright war zone, I would think 1 dead + 10 wounded AND 1 dead + 8 wounded would be adequate fodder for the raving liberal anti gun lunatics, but it appears not to be.
OR, here is my theory. your theory is bullocks. furthermore, a wise man (you) once said that anecdotes aren't great evidence. Frankly, that's all you have. |
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I really envy Europeans. They can act morally and intellectually superior knowing they have never had any mass killers of women and children.
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But the hispanic thing is weird. Why do immigrants to your country partake in so much violence? Good question, no? But I don't think we should hide from these hard questions and we should certainly look at the package.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Take a look at this data. I would like a reasoned observation concerning the US's low position with regard to Western Hemisphere murder rates. The worst by far occur in former Spanish and Portuguese colonies. You may come to realize that to emigrate to the US from most Western Hemisphere countries is to find a safe haven (relatively so). |
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| juniper wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | I guess we will have to rely on evidence |
Up until now you haven't been? Is Fox the only biased news agency out there? |
he made an assertion with one piece of evidence. sorry, as BK so wisely pointed out, anecdote != evidence (except for existence claims). |
Oh, good. I almost thought Fox was biased.
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| flysideways wrote: | | juniper wrote: |
But the hispanic thing is weird. Why do immigrants to your country partake in so much violence? Good question, no? But I don't think we should hide from these hard questions and we should certainly look at the package.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Take a look at this data. I would like a reasoned observation concerning the US's low position with regard to Western Hemisphere murder rates. The worst by far occur in former Spanish and Portuguese colonies. You may come to realize that to emigrate to the US from most Western Hemisphere countries is to find a safe haven (relatively so). |
It's due to genetics. Americans have Northern European genes, while Central and South Americans have the genes of Spanish Conquistadors, Portuguese Missionaries, and escaped Nazis.
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Merged.
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Feel better?
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Yes.
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Cool, now I've done my good deed for the day and can move on to something else. Hmm... maybe the learn something new check box.
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At least he had the decency to thank them.
| Quote: | | After the robber had been shot, police say he jumped over a fence and was attacked by a German Shepherd. That attack prevented him from getting away. |
lol
A shame about the depressing ending :(
| Quote: | | The suspect, identified as Christopher Hutchins, is being treated at Ben Taub Hospital. He’s expected to recover. |
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| flysideways wrote: | | juniper wrote: |
But the hispanic thing is weird. Why do immigrants to your country partake in so much violence? Good question, no? But I don't think we should hide from these hard questions and we should certainly look at the package.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Take a look at this data. I would like a reasoned observation concerning the US's low position with regard to Western Hemisphere murder rates. The worst by far occur in former Spanish and Portuguese colonies. You may come to realize that to emigrate to the US from most Western Hemisphere countries is to find a safe haven (relatively so). |
if you compare the US to somalia, rwanda and iraq it comes out well too.
america is just a geographical grouping, and that doesn't make as much sense as an economic/political grouping. How does the US compare to other western rich democracies? |
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