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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | I remember the days of devfs and things just working. Today we've got udev and its regular hiccups. Yay, progress! And userspace is always better. Yay. |
The winning combo for me was udev and HAL. Both were new and freshly implemented. I thought to myself, "This is it! The next-generation Linux desktop is here!" |
HAL was okish until you had to actually set X server settings. They should have had xorg in the state it is today, back then, and forgo that clusterfuck entirely.
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John R. Graham
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And the source is stand-alone again, thanks to ryao and the Gentoo eudev project team: | Code: | ceres ~ # emerge -s eudev
Searching...
[ Results for search key : eudev ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]
* sys-fs/eudev [ Masked ]
Latest version available: 9999
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of files: 0 kB
Homepage: https://github.com/gentoo/udev-ng
Description: Linux dynamic and persistent device naming support (aka userspace devfs)
License: LGPL-2.1 MIT GPL-2
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As far as I remember, the Linux devfs had some unfixable design flaws (race-conditions and more), so it was replaced with udev. And in fact, I never had a serious problem with udev, it just did its job (and the current stable version 171-r9 still does). Okay, I have to add that I don't use a separate /usr partition.
HAL had a configuration syntax that was just horrible. Ironically, it has been deprecated, because it "does a lot of things but none of them particular well". Now what about systemd? 
To me, udisks and upower seem to be a better, more modular approach. However, these need polkit, whose maintainers had the funny idea to use a (turing-) complete programming language for configuration. Having a complete JavaScript interpreter just for parsing the configuration of a security-critical component of the system seems to be questionable, at least.
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I dread the day that sys-auth/polkit-0.104 is leaving the tree.
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energyman76b
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hal's config files aren't much worse than udev's config files. Which change a lot. Real fun.
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