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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:27 am    Post subject: Hope and [Climate] Change Reply with quote

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Global emissions of carbon dioxide were at a record high in 2011 and are likely to take a similar jump in 2012, scientists reported Sunday — the latest indication that efforts to limit such emissions are failing.

Emissions continue to grow so rapidly that an international goal of limiting the ultimate warming of the planet to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, established three years ago, is on the verge of becoming unattainable, said researchers affiliated with the Global Carbon Project.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/world/emissions-of-carbon-dioxide-hit-record-in-2011-researchers-say.html
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

POTUS obviously can't change policy, though he could have railroaded Kyotobama through.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stop posting this. you're going to clue them in on the one true plan...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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POTUS obviously can't change policy, though he could have railroaded Kyotobama through.

actually, he has direct authority over the EPA.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless they have no real interest in change, then I'm skeptical it could be done through the EPA.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But thank God we stopped nuclear, because then we'd have a 'real' problem!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real cause of climate change.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The real cause of climate change.

I agree, $country's got talent is the biggest polluter on the planet. Just look at how many precious youtube minutes were wasted.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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POTUS obviously can't change policy, though he could have railroaded Kyotobama through.

He shot his wad railroading Obamacare.

He's too busy playing chicken with the Republicans again over his tax increases to do anything about Global Warming. If he had to legalize whaling and burn down the rain forests to get spending increases, he'd do it (and then blame it on Republicans).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But thank God we stopped nuclear, because then we'd have a 'real' problem!
I heard a story the other day (probably on NPR) about a new dome going in over Chernobyl. Nukular FTW \o/. No thanks, not interested in the waste which will be produced. And that assumes humans are infallible and there is no chance of disaster.


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He's too busy playing chicken with the Republicans again over his tax increases to do anything about Global Warming.
Republicans can't win, so it isn't Obama playing chicken. I heard this AM that the current "deal" was $1.6T in taxes, $600M in cuts. We need to make those a 1:1 IMO, or as close as possible. $600M is a joke.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But thank God we stopped nuclear, because then we'd have a 'real' problem!


or not.
http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2006-05-11/does-nuclear-power-produce-no-co2

and that is without waste treatment or storage. And the energy consumption when you break down one of those fuckers.

http://el.erdc.usace.army.mil/workshops/11JunNATO/Salama_NuclearEnergy.pdf
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Libertardian denial of reality is wholly unimpressive and unconvincing, and simply serves to demonstrate what a bunch of delusional fools they all are.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that's right. Solar and wind-power are even worse. Do you have any idea how much carbon is produced in the manufacture and erection of a single wind turbine or array or solar collectors? There is only one solution: we must sterilize two-thirds of the human race at once.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, that's right. Solar and wind-power are even worse. Do you have any idea how much carbon is produced in the manufacture and erection of a single wind turbine or array or solar collectors?

Actually, no. How much? And how much is that in relation to their estimated lifetime power output? And when exactly did man-made climate change stop being a lie concocted by evil scientists, by the way?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, that's right. Solar and wind-power are even worse. Do you have any idea how much carbon is produced in the manufacture and erection of a single wind turbine or array or solar collectors?

Actually, no. How much? And how much is that in relation to their estimated lifetime power output? And when exactly did man-made climate change stop being a lie concocted by evil scientists, by the way?

Just before a strawman became valid logic. :?

You also missed the point entirely. I'll let you go back and figure it out, but if you need help, let somebody know.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2006-05-11/does-nuclear-power-produce-no-co2

and that is without waste treatment or storage. And the energy consumption when you break down one of those fuckers.

http://el.erdc.usace.army.mil/workshops/11JunNATO/Salama_NuclearEnergy.pdf

All that says is that human industry requires energy. No fucking shit. MIND... BLOWN...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard a story the other day (probably on NPR) about a new dome going in over Chernobyl.

Why bother? The site is safe to walk around now.

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Nukular FTW \o/. No thanks, not interested in the waste which will be produced.

So don't just discard spent rods? Recycle the rods, reclaim the unspent fuel, separate other useful isotopes into productive products, and what you'll have left over is trivial in quantity and inert. Did you know there's now a pending shortage of medical nuclear isotopes in Europe because of the brain damaged knee-jerk reaction to Fukushima?

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And that assumes humans are infallible and there is no chance of disaster.

Modern plant designs don't have the flaws of Chernobyl and Fukushima, both of which were known long before the disasters occurred, but political mismanagement and nuclear hysteria prevented the construction of new plants to replace them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's their own fault. If Japan hadn't got all Imperial-Racist and tried to take over half the world, we wouldn't have had to nuke them (rather than send hundreds of thousands more of our boys to their deaths), and then they wouldn't have developed this hysteria about nuclear disasters, giant mutating creatures, and schoolgirl pedophilia.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it boils down to this, when you brush the hysteria aside, you're far more likely to die in an aviation accident, than a nuclear disaster. Statistically nuclear industry is the safest in the world.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the people ranting the loudest about it are typically the ones having promiscuous and unprotected sex.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Yes, that's right. Solar and wind-power are even worse. Do you have any idea how much carbon is produced in the manufacture and erection of a single wind turbine or array or solar collectors?

Actually, no. How much? And how much is that in relation to their estimated lifetime power output? And when exactly did man-made climate change stop being a lie concocted by evil scientists, by the way?

Maybe from the time parents begun to use vehicles that pollute the air of their children, that in order to do something as elementary than to go at work!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago is a climate change Denier :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard a story the other day (probably on NPR) about a new dome going in over Chernobyl.

Why bother? The site is safe to walk around now.
They had extra tax revenues and nothing else better to spend it on?

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So don't just discard [waste]? Recycle the rods, reclaim the unspent fuel, separate other useful isotopes into productive products, and what you'll have left over is [waste].
:rotflmao:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chernobyl will be causing cancer long after our current civilization has fallen, through the next dark age, through the next civilization, after its subsequent dark age, and in all probability, after the extinction of humanity. That still doesn't mean nuclear energy should be shunned.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. And at the end of the day, it amounts to who has the numbers. Personally the waste issue is my main concern, giving the benefit of the doubt to the "disasters are now impossible" claim. I don't believe the latter, but it is moot until the waste issue is resolved.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Chernobyl will be causing cancer long after our current civilization has fallen, through the next dark age, through the next civilization, after its subsequent dark age, and in all probability, after the extinction of humanity.

Not sure if sarcasm or serious. :P
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