IDEs?

ichbinsisyphos · Guru Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547

Sorry, I really tried to get into it, I really tried to believe that I am missing something, but Vim is a joke. I am sure it was amazing compared to ed, maybe it is still on a headless server, but otherwise there's no point to it.

aidanjt · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject:

ichbinsisyphos · Guru Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547

Yeah, but there's no benefit to it, there is nothing waiting at the end of that curve.

aidanjt · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject:

ichbinsisyphos · Guru Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547

Faster, more efficient than what? ed?

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jonnevers · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject:

notageek · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:17 am Post subject:

People complaining about vi/vim should use emacs for a while.
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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1499 Location: U.S.A.

notageek · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:41 am Post subject:

Okay.
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tylerwylie · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:41 am Post subject:

dmitchell · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:21 am Post subject:

BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1499 Location: U.S.A.

Another really cool editor is 'e3'. It doesn't do anything fancy, but it's tiny (1/20th of the size of nano). It's the perfect editor for a rescue disk or anybody who just wants a really no-bloat editor for routine tasks.

It's less than 13KB in size with no build or run-time dependencies. It has no config file. You can get any of the standard keybindings (Windows, vi, emacs, pico/nano) by starting it with different commands (e3, e3vi, e3em, e3pi, e3ws). Of course, you can 'lock in' your favorite with an alias or symlink.

No syntax highlighting, no auto-indent, no ebullient ctags. Just a basic editor that's only 13KB in size and does what you'd expect it to (unicode, typical in-file navigation, find/replace, multiple undos, block manipulation (cut, copy, paste, save to a file), and pipe the buffer through sed commands), etc.).

Edit: oh, and it has a built-in calculator. :roll:

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tylerwylie · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:43 am Post subject:

Mardok45 · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:55 am Post subject:

One thing you can do to ease the steep learning curve with Vim is to create your own custom key bindings. You can put the layouts in whatever fashion that makes sense to you. The default key bindings make absolutely no sense whatsoever, except for the navigation keys.

After learning how the normal, edit, visual, and command modes work in Vim, look up the key listing here:
http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/Tech/vi.html

Then in your ~/.vimrc, start putting in nnoremap commands and start customizing to whatever you want.

I have my key bindings so all the navigation keys are on the right home keys, tabs and split screen and navigating between them is on the top-right keys, marking positions and save/exit is on the bottom right keys, entering edit/visual modes are on the left home keys, find and undo/redo on the bottom left keys.

BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1499 Location: U.S.A.

IMHO, changing default key bindings can create a headache, because every time you sit down at a new machine you'll be in the land of Oz. One of the benefits of using Vim is that all POSIX-compliant systems must have a vi-compatible editor. There's a reason for that, and when you get all fancy with your keybindings, you throw away the intended benefit of standardization.

Sure, you can carry around your config files with you, or put them on the internet, but who wants to screw around with that every time you're on a different machine?

Just my opinion.
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Mardok45 · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:08 am Post subject:

Sure, I'm not saying to not get familiar with the default layout.

However, how often do you switch machines? Are you in an environment where your home directory isn't mounted over the network? Besides, we customize everything from the distributions we use to the desktop environment. What's so different about customizing the key bindings in vim?

BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1499 Location: U.S.A.

I suppose it's fine for many people. I'm often on clients' machines or my few local Linux friends' machines. I find it useful to be comfortable with the defaults.
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tylerwylie · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:08 am Post subject:

Shadow Skill · Veteran Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023

Hey at least in Emacs I can do stuff like this. Not even having two screens is as effective as having the PDF in the editor window itself. The only thing missing is a way to click the hyperlinks in the PDF since Emacs converts to PNG for display. You can search text though.
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