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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, there's another bullshit talking point: Romney doesn't have plan, but Obama does? Obama's plan is to spend even more money we don't have. He claims he's going to pay for this with the Money saved by no longer being at war in Iraq and winding things down in Afghanistan. But that's nothing but a shell game; there is no "money being saved", because it was all being financed by deficit spending. Also, while "investments" in infrastructure, education, etc., are always necessary, they are not the short term solution required to put people back to work on permanent jobs within a year or two.

So, what he's really saying is that he wants to use the economic crisis he has been dragging out as an excuse to continue deficit spending at its current, treasonously high levels, and not reduce deficit spending associated with the wars.

Additionally, we aren't saving much by having completed withdrawal from Iraq and 'de-surging' Afghanistan. We are paying for all those Afghan soldiers and having them take over security and operations against the Taliban. We've replaced troops in Iraq with tens of thousand of contractors, and tens of thousands of the troops who were in Iraq are not "home" but have moved across the border into Kuwait, redeployed to Afghanistan, or sent other places like Yemen, the Sinai, or the Mediterranean.

So this is a myth -- a lie -- just like when he said he was going to pay for all his new spending by cutting elsewhere and it never happened. It's just an excuse to keep using our credit card and burying us all under a mountain of debt.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, there's another bullshit talking point: Romney doesn't have plan, but Obama does? Obama's plan is to spend even more money we don't have. He claims he's going to pay for this with the Money saved by no longer being at war in Iraq and winding things down in Afghanistan. But that's nothing but a shell game; there is no "money being saved", because it was all being financed by deficit spending. Also, while "investments" in infrastructure, education, etc., are always necessary, they are not the short term solution required to put people back to work on permanent jobs within a year or two.

So, what he's really saying is that he wants to use the economic crisis he has been dragging out as an excuse to continue deficit spending at its current, treasonously high levels, and not reduce deficit spending associated with the wars.

Additionally, we aren't saving much by having completed withdrawal from Iraq and 'de-surging' Afghanistan. We are paying for all those Afghan soldiers and having them take over security and operations against the Taliban. We've replaced troops in Iraq with tens of thousand of contractors, and tens of thousands of the troops who were in Iraq are not "home" but have moved across the border into Kuwait, redeployed to Afghanistan, or sent other places like Yemen, the Sinai, or the Mediterranean.

So this is a myth -- a lie -- just like when he said he was going to pay for all his new spending by cutting elsewhere and it never happened. It's just an excuse to keep using our credit card and burying us all under a mountain of debt. We've had four years of that, it didn't work as promised, we cannot afford any more, and it's time for a different approach.


Indeed. Shock, horror... Obama is a lying piece of shit with zero understanding of basic arithmetic.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Biden Implores Obama To 'Rub One Out' Before Debate

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DENVER—Noting that tonight’s debate against Mitt Romney would last a full hour and a half, Vice President Joe Biden reportedly urged President Obama to “rub one out” so that he could “get pussy off the mind” before taking the stage at 9 p.m. Eastern time. “Look, Barry, you need to keep your head in the game up there, and you sure as shit can’t focus if you’ve got a full load flaring up inside you,” said Biden, telling Obama he should feel free to think about the first lady, “Jill [Biden], or whoever pops into your head while you’re polishing the ol’ Capitol dome.” “Hell, I must’ve yanked the crank a good eight or nine times before my debate with Sarah Palin back in ’08…and a few times after, too, if you catch my drift.” At press time, sources reported seeing the president enter a private bathroom with Biden’s “rare and always reliable” January 1979 edition of Playboy.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, there's another bullshit talking point: Romney doesn't have plan, but Obama does? Obama's plan is to spend even more money we don't have. He claims he's going to pay for this with the Money saved by no longer being at war in Iraq and winding things down in Afghanistan. But that's nothing but a shell game; there is no "money being saved", because it was all being financed by deficit spending. Also, while "investments" in infrastructure, education, etc., are always necessary, they are not the short term solution required to put people back to work on permanent jobs within a year or two.

So, what he's really saying is that he wants to use the economic crisis he has been dragging out as an excuse to continue deficit spending at its current, treasonously high levels, and not reduce deficit spending associated with the wars.

Additionally, we aren't saving much by having completed withdrawal from Iraq and 'de-surging' Afghanistan. We are paying for all those Afghan soldiers and having them take over security and operations against the Taliban. We've replaced troops in Iraq with tens of thousand of contractors, and tens of thousands of the troops who were in Iraq are not "home" but have moved across the border into Kuwait, redeployed to Afghanistan, or sent other places like Yemen, the Sinai, or the Mediterranean.

So this is a myth -- a lie -- just like when he said he was going to pay for all his new spending by cutting elsewhere and it never happened. It's just an excuse to keep using our credit card and burying us all under a mountain of debt. We've had four years of that, it didn't work as promised, we cannot afford any more, and it's time for a different approach.

Pretty good post until the last sentence, at which point you started to sound like a Romney commercial. :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is a Romney commercial.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, here's some analogies being used by various people:.

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How do I know? Because I turned to MSNBC. The commentators there looked like Parisians watching the Germans march into Paris in 1940.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/10/05/bill-oreilly-what-really-happened-debate-last-night#ixzz28QnY6crb
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sugar wrote:
rush and the onion are probably the best political satire there is.


They are more truthful than your Talking points memo, DailyKOS, and Krugman.


http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Romney lashes out against good economic news

Poor Mitt. Good news makes him miserable, doesn't it? After hitting double-digits at the height of the Great Recession, the unemployment rate is now at its lowest point since January 2009. Things are getting better, but all he wants to do is convince you that they're getting worse—because his bucket list depends on it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mittins, the head sheep, wrote:
"The place you put your money makes a pretty clear indication where your heart is!"


It speaks volumes about Mitt Romney and his wanting to be President to help America. The truth is Mitt wants to be President because it is the rich man's version of putting on his father's State Trooper uniform and acting like he's the man.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101764355
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Romney’s Biggest Lie of All: A $5 Trillion Tax Cut For the Rich Will Create Jobs

One of Willard Romney’s contentions is that President Obama is responsible for the unemployment numbers, and he has promised America that if he is elected president, his tax $5 trillion tax cuts for the wealthy will spur job creation and boost the economy. He even touted his job creation prowess while he was head of Bain Capital, and he was responsible for creating jobs, in China, and earning a tax break in the process, but it came at the expense of Americans’ jobs that continues to contribute to the 8% unemployment rate and slow-growing economy. However, his persistent claims that President Obama is responsible for the unemployment picture is part of his pathological lying, and if he were honest, he would point to his party’s obstruction as to why millions of Americans are out of work; but then he could not sell George W. Bush’s trickle down fantasy. Since it is a fact that giving more tax break entitlements to the wealthy and eliminating regulations does not boost job creation, it is worth looking at what Republicans have done over the past three-and-a-half years to create jobs. The short answer is absolutely nothing and in fact, the GOP is responsible for retarding job growth they began planning on inauguration night 2009.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads...


Chop's been posting plenty of Rush.
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Entering Stage Right, Romney Moved to Center

Mr. Romney ran to the right in the Republican primaries in 2008 and this year, describing himself this winter as having been a “severely conservative” governor. This week, he pivoted to the center, as many political analysts had long expected him to do, seeking to appeal to more centrist general election voters. In doing so, Mr. Romney used striking new language to describe his policy proposals on taxes, education and health care in ways that may assuage independent voters — but which may be sowing confusion about how Mr. Romney would govern.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/entering-stage-right-romney-moved-to-center.html?hp&_r=0&_r=0

Willard does not believe in anything. He will say what ever it takes to get elected.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Politicians play to their base in the Primaries, while going mainstream in the General.

Meanwhile the sun rose on the eastern horizon this morning.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads...


Chop's been posting plenty of Rush.


1 post, as a response to your barrage of leftist drivel, is not plenty.

wswartzendruber wrote:
Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads...


Please do. At least they are interesting, unlike the DailyKOS, DU, Talking Points Memo, and all of sugar's other daily brainmush.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty good post until the last sentence, at which point you started to sound like a Romney commercial. :lol:

You're right. Deleted.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Entering Stage Right, Romney Moved to Center

Mr. Romney ran to the right in the Republican primaries in 2008 and this year, describing himself this winter as having been a “severely conservative” governor. This week, he pivoted to the center, as many political analysts had long expected him to do, seeking to appeal to more centrist general election voters. In doing so, Mr. Romney used striking new language to describe his policy proposals on taxes, education and health care in ways that may assuage independent voters — but which may be sowing confusion about how Mr. Romney would govern.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/entering-stage-right-romney-moved-to-center.html?hp&_r=0&_r=0

Willard does not believe in anything. He will say what ever it takes to get elected.

Your other posts (snide trolling remarks with citations from bullshit sources) aren't worthy of response.

As to this one: it's not so much that Romney moved to center as inevitable reconciliation of the Democrat portrayal of Romney being a right wing extremist. For example, he has never "gone around the country promising a $5 trillion tax cut to be funded by increased taxes on the middle class". That's just the Obama campaign's propaganda coming back to haunt.

Having said that, it is, partially, Romney moving his espoused positions toward center. This should be no surprise to anybody. Every political candidate since the dawn of democracy has done this. First they have become champion of their party, then they must appeal to a broader coalition. Obama did it so blatantly and egregiously four years ago that they had to create a new version of his website.

That's when I started joking about his use of the phrases, "let me be perfectly clear", and "as I've consistently said" -- phrases that became like mantras for him, because changed virtually every position he started out with, either"
- after the primaries / during the debates;
- once he got elected and started immediately and furiously working to reduce expectations; or
- once people got on his case for failing to fulfill some promise or meet some expectation

For Christ's sake, Obama started out as the Anti War, Anti Presidential Power candidate, and look where he ended up!
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Presidential Debate Aftermath: Mitt Romney Wins All-Important BS Contest

I didn't watch the debate – I just couldn't. I read it in transcript form afterwards. I know it is widely believed that Mitt Romney won, but I don't agree. I think both candidates lost. I think they both sucked. Romney told a series of outright lies – the bit about the pre-existing conditions was incredible – while Barack Obama seemed unaccountably disinterested in the intellectual challenge of the exercise, repeatedly leaving the gross absurdities hurled his way by Romney unchallenged.

Romney's performance was better than Obama's, but only if you throw out criteria like "wasn't 100% full of shit from the opening bell" and "made an actual attempt to explain who he is and what his plans are." Unfortunately, that is good enough for our news media, which drools over the gamesmanship aspects of these debates, because it loves candidates who sink their teeth into the horse-race nonsense that they think validates their professional lives.

For instance: in my local paper, the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, I read an analysis entitled, "Romney's debate performance was presidential game changer, analysts say."

The unnamed authors of this analysis delivered a blizzard of sports metaphors about Romney's performance. "It's a new race for the White House," they said, after Romney "changed the game with an aggressive, confident performance" – needed, because "Obama's forces had hinted earlier that all they needed from the debate was one good punch to knock Romney out," after the challenger "spent the summer and early fall stumbling."



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DailyKOS, TPM, Rolling Stone... no wonder your opinions come across as so... uninformed.

You receive nothing but a leftist perspective. The difference between you and I (aside from income, intellect, wisdom, manliness, sexual prowess, and musical ability) is that I don't just read leftist drivel. I read leftist drivel, right wing drivel, North Korean propaganda, Chinese news sources, Japanese sources (right/left/center/religious), Eurotrash, middle Eastern news, Israeli (right/left/center), and numerous other sources. My opinions are not manufactured as yours are. I come to my conclusions via thought.
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DailyKOS, TPM, Rolling Stone... no wonder your opinions come across as so... uninformed.

You receive nothing but a leftist perspective. The difference between you and I (aside from income, intellect, wisdom, manliness, sexual prowess, and musical ability) is that I don't just read leftist drivel. I read leftist drivel, right wing drivel, North Korean propaganda, Chinese news sources, Japanese sources (right/left/center/religious), Eurotrash, middle Eastern news, Israeli (right/left/center), and numerous other sources. My opinions are not manufactured as yours are. I come to my conclusions via thought.


:roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's time I got busy writing a shell script. Hrm... I'll need to scrape RushLimbaugh.com for this and figure out how to authenticate into these forums.
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"I didn't watch the debate" <but you're going to tell us all about it anyway; uh... you get paid for this?>

<blah blah blah cognitive dissonance reaction due to emotional investment in Obama propaganda>

<diatribe echoing Obama propaganda that "its all Teh Lies!" with complete lack of any kind of attempt to provide supporting facts or evidence>

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/presidential-debate-aftermath-mitt-romney-wins-all-important-bs-contest-20121005#ixzz28UiK7TSd


Fail, Troll. :?
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BoneKracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
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Presidential Debate Aftermath: Mitt Romney Wins All-Important BS Contest

"I didn't watch the debate" <but you're going to tell us all about it anyway; uh... you get paid for this?>

<blah blah blah cognitive dissonance reaction due to emotional investment in Obama propaganda>

<diatribe echoing Obama propaganda that "its all Teh Lies!" with complete lack of any kind of attempt to provide supporting facts or evidence>

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/presidential-debate-aftermath-mitt-romney-wins-all-important-bs-contest-20121005#ixzz28UiK7TSd


Fail, Troll. :?


*facepalm*

the next sentence wrote:
I read it in transcript form afterwards.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's amazing how resistant to information some people are.

Just one example, Romney claimed 50% of businesses in the loan program had failed. In fact over 90% are still operating. Is it really OK for a prospective president to lie through his teeth like that? Seriously? Some seem to think so.

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