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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:41 am    Post subject: Dr. White Says Warp Drive More Feasible Reply with quote

I can't believe nobody's posted this yet.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119649-Warp-Drive-Might-Actually-Be-Possible
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because you're the only Star Trek fan here.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because it's not a BBC link.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because it's not possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
Because it's not possible.


at the very least the idea is in it infancy. I won't hold my breath.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because it's not possible.

Apparently it is, or at least hypothetically feasible. That's why they're doing small-scale experimentation to see if they can perturb spacetime at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sikpuppy wrote:
Because it's not possible.

Apparently it is, or at least hypothetically feasible. That's why they're doing small-scale experimentation to see if they can perturb spacetime at all.


Next thing you know, you get a rip in space-time and all the accompanying
betentacled, beyond the dawn of time nastiness that comes with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Next thing you know, you get a rip in space-time and all the accompanying
betentacled, beyond the dawn of time nastiness that comes with it.

I had a Chicken Phaal like that once....try it, you will find brutal rips in the ring around Uranus.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
Because it's not possible.

It's not possible to break the light barrier conventionally. It does seems possible, however, to condense space in front of an object and expand space behind it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The math indicates it's possible. Whether we can implement a device to cause the effect that is possible according to the math, is another question.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Dr. White Says Warp Drive More Feasible Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
I can't believe nobody's posted this yet.
I almost posted it, but it seems minimally interesting once explored. Though I believe I read a comment which claimed the solution (that is not a solution) looks similar to the Trek implementation.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While amazing, it is obvious that it will be used by 0.001% richest people. Meaning not me. Meaning I don't really give a fuck :D
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like time to go all 99%er.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always believed time travel is possible. I just don't believe it's possible for matter.

Therefore, time travel for humans will require a "transporter"-like technology (i.e., copying an object as information, transmission of that information across time, and then assembly of that information into a duplicate object at the other time). Unlike the transporter of Star Trek, it would require both a "sending transporter" and a "receiving transporter" (already in existence at the time destination) to actually take the information and assemble local matter as the cargo,.

Therefore, it will never be possible to travel back in time before whatever date we successfully construct our first time machine. The interesting part is that, once we build it, some message or human being from the future will probably appear in it immediately, telling us how to improve it. In fact, if we can only create the receiving end, they'll tell us how to make the sending work. :lol:

As to the economics, we must first have the technology to transmogrify matter (in order to make the time machine as I have described it, subject to what I believe are the constraints). Once we have that, and an abundant energy supply, we have limitless everything. So by this time there would be no more deprivation. If we live that long.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
I've always believed time travel is possible. I just don't believe it's possible for matter.

Therefore, time travel for humans will require a "transporter"-like technology (i.e., copying an object as information, transmission of that information across time, and then assembly of that information into a duplicate object at the other time). Unlike the transporter of Star Trek, it would require both a "sending transporter" and a "receiving transporter" (already in existence at the time destination) to actually take the information and assemble local matter as the cargo,.

Therefore, it will never be possible to travel back in time before whatever date we successfully construct our first time machine. The interesting part is that, once we build it, some message or human being from the future will probably appear in it immediately, telling us how to improve it. In fact, if we can only create the receiving end, they'll tell us how to make the sending work. :lol:

As to the economics, we must first have the technology to transmogrify matter (in order to make the time machine as I have described it, subject to what I believe are the constraints). Once we have that, and an abundant energy supply, we have limitless everything. So by this time there would be no more deprivation. If we live that long.
Uh, while time travel IS awesome, the article is actually on a minor improvement to the Alcubierre drive. Which incidentally is very close in principle to the Start Trek Warp Drive... it's actually a sublight drive that also distorts space.

Meaning there's no matter actually moving at FTL speeds (locally), further meaning that no time travel or time distortion takes place.

Well, that's the theory anyway. Also last I checked, according to Alcubierre there's no way to get outta the bubble once it's set up and in motion. As the lads in Mass Effect said, if you launch one of those you WILL cause someone to have a very bad day once it'll eventually impact somewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Therefore, it will never be possible to travel back in time before whatever date we successfully construct our first time machine.


I remember reading a story based on this idea - just can't remember what it was.
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As the lads in Mass Effect said, if you launch one of those you WILL cause someone to have a very bad day once it'll eventually impact somewhere.


Who said that? That sounds like Garrus.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:

Therefore, it will never be possible to travel back in time before whatever date we successfully construct our first time machine.


I remember reading a story based on this idea - just can't remember what it was.

There was all sorts of weird theories around the time they turned on the Massive Ring of Collider Doom Black Hole Machine. The main thrust is that when someone finds the god particle then it will be Stargate time, but only from that point on. The other wacky thought was that the Collider would be self policing in that it wouldn't work because it was sabotaging itself from the future.

I think they should sell tin foil hats on the Collider website. Would make a fortune.
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BoneKracker wrote:

Therefore, it will never be possible to travel back in time before whatever date we successfully construct our first time machine.


I remember reading a story based on this idea - just can't remember what it was.


There's that professor, forget his name - proposed a similar idea, focused, spinning lasers IIRC. The
upshot was that you couldn't travel back to a point before the thing was switched on - and only messages at that.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is this fun book I read years ago, "How to build a time machine". It kinda says that yes, it is possible, but highly unlikely, since it takes so much energy it remains purely hypothethical.

It's just hubris. Rather, I'd like to see some from of research that solves the problem of non-degradable plastics that ALREADY exists in the nature and is not going anywhere except higher up in food chain.
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mdeininger wrote:
As the lads in Mass Effect said, if you launch one of those you WILL cause someone to have a very bad day once it'll eventually impact somewhere.


Who said that? That sounds like Garrus.
I'm a bit fuzzy on that cause it's been far too long. I think it was one of the instructors drilling recruits on one of the occasions where you land on that trade station. His speech is pretty long though. He's telling the recruits not to fire their guns unless they have a positive target lock because otherwise the projectile will just keep flying and eventually hit *something* even if that is several galaxies away.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's when you land on the Citadel in ME2.
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wswartzendruber wrote:
It's when you land on the Citadel in ME2.
Really? Coulda sworn it was in ME1. My bad :D
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Unlike the transporter of Star Trek, it would require both a "sending transporter" and a "receiving transporter"
Interesting. Or maybe they won't be able to predict the destination without a receiver.
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I'd like to see some from of research that solves the problem of non-degradable plastics that ALREADY exists in the nature and is not going anywhere except higher up in food chain.


I don't know about plastics, but rubber can be made from goldenrod, and it is superior to both tree and synthetic rubber: http://chiotsrun.com/2011/09/24/plant-spotlight-goldenrod/

Samples of Edison's rubber are still viable today, which is more than can be said of your typical modern car tires over the same length of time. Of course, it's not "profitable" to make rubber from goldenrod, which is why it's not done.
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