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energyman76b
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| pjp wrote: | lol
You made assertions which are completely unrelated. I did not. |
please the links I posted. You just regurgiate some lies some republicunts farted out.
But that has nothing to do with reality.
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You ignore basic logic. I stated nothing partisan.
There is no inherent requirement that government health care is better or cheaper. Extrapolate the rest.
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| pjp wrote: | In addition to not giving monarchy the boot... | Quote: | | Australia introduced universal health care in 1975.[266] Known as Medicare it is now nominally funded by an income tax surcharge known as the Medicare levy, currently set at 1.5 per cent.[267] The states manage hospitals and attached outpatient services, while the Commonwealth funds the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (reducing the costs of medicines) and general practice. |
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Yeah, but there are far fewer people in Australia than say a state of America.
Basically you'll be paying for a lot less number of free-loaders.
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| notageek wrote: | | pjp wrote: | In addition to not giving monarchy the boot... | Quote: | | Australia introduced universal health care in 1975.[266] Known as Medicare it is now nominally funded by an income tax surcharge known as the Medicare levy, currently set at 1.5 per cent.[267] The states manage hospitals and attached outpatient services, while the Commonwealth funds the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (reducing the costs of medicines) and general practice. |
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Yeah, but there are far fewer people in Australia than say a state of America.
Basically you'll be paying for a lot less number of free-loaders. |
they have a similar proportion of people living below 'the poverty line' (ignoring the various definitions of poverty).
or, in other words, in Australia, there are less free loaders, but also less rich people to pay for the free loaders?
edit: is is a coincidence that half the countries on the list are currently members of the commonwealth of nations?
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| tylerwylie wrote: | | I voted NZ of course. |
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| pjp wrote: | You ignore basic logic. I stated nothing partisan.
There is no inherent requirement that government health care is better or cheaper. Extrapolate the rest. |
you are just ignoring the facts.
'Governmental' health care is cheaper and better. As you can see from the links I posted. I provided facts, you are babbling some propaganda nonesense.
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What about Tombouctou (Mali) ?
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Timbuktu.
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| notageek wrote: | | Timbuktu. |
Ha pha pha... I understand that there is indeed some kind of british spelling approximatly equal to what you say...
Well... Sorry... I'll remember Fachoda and will keep the former French-Colonies' spelling Tombouctou !
EDIT : I forgot to mention that this is exactly the place where Edgar is sent at then end of the Aristocats, my Disney's best of 30...  hrmm... 40 years ago ! 
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| Turkish Airlines offers service to Mogadishu, via Syria. I bought him a ticket, if you folks don't mind. |
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| notageek wrote: | Yeah, but there are far fewer people in Australia than say a state of America.
Basically you'll be paying for a lot less number of free-loaders. |
lol
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| sugar wrote: | | charly wrote: | | tylerwylie wrote: | | I voted NZ of course. |
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Well, I suppose it wont be much of a change, considering he IS a fellow pacific islander. |
As long as he is an alcoholic wife beater he will fit right in  Unless he is Pākehā of course
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| pjp wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy. |
Bloated government:
Is not affordable.
Is not necessary.
Is not sustainable.
Is not required to reduce healthcare costs.
Is not related to life expectancy.
And many more. |
but all those do apply (cheaper, longer life expectancy, good health outcomes). why should ideological purity trump pragmatism that seems to work reasonably well (and don't bring up that dictatorships are pragmatic).
america has passed the triple-britain mark for cost of healthcare system. I say in 5 years it will hit quadruple. |
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interesting pdf
http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume19/Vol19no10.pdf
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| juniper wrote: | | why should ideological purity trump pragmatism |
It isn't pragmatism. And fixing mistakes of that magnitude is very difficult.
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| pjp wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | why should ideological purity trump pragmatism |
It isn't pragmatism. And fixing mistakes of that magnitude is very difficult. |
indeed (referring to your insane system of employer provided insurance). |
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Nah. That is pretty easy. With a simple majority in the Senate, you ignore law and ramrod something through, then declare victory. I can't wait for the GOP to do it, just to hear the Left scream "foul."
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Which country should Muso move to? |
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| sugar wrote: | Now that the US disallows freedom and is slipping into 1984-land, vast hordes of Americans will now leave the land of the broad stripes and bright stars.
Looking down the heritage index of countries that have greater 'economic freedom' than the US gives a number of interesting choices.
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Note that, in some way or another, all these countries offer some kind of government intervention in the healthcare sector. |
I'm taking this thread in the spirit of friendly trolling, since I just know you are a smart and worldly guy who is probably familiar with the creators of this index: The Heritage Foundation (note Rush Limbaugh's smiling face at lower right, encouraging people to join). Spend some time browsing this source you have chosen to support your rhetoric.
But for others not as smart and worldly, understand that the whole purpose of this index is to understate the economic freedom of the U.S., as a way of frightening Americans into fighting for more economic freedom. Read the index's details on the U.S.:
| Quote: | The United States’ economic freedom score of 76.3 drops it to 10th place in the 2012 Index. Its score is 1.5 points lower than last year, reflecting deteriorating scores for government spending, freedom from corruption, and investment freedom. The U.S. is ranked 2nd out of three countries in the North America region, and its overall score remains well above the world and regional averages.
The U.S. economy faces enormous challenges. Although the foundations of economic freedom remain strong, recent government interventions have eroded limits on government, and public spending by all levels of government now exceeds one-third of total domestic output. The regulatory burden on business continues to increase rapidly, and heightened uncertainty further increases regulations’ negative impact. Fading confidence in the government’s determination to promote or even sustain open markets has discouraged entrepreneurship and dynamic investment within the private sector.
Restoring the U.S. economy to the status of a “free” economy will require significant policy changes to reduce the size of government, overhaul the tax system, and transform costly entitlement programs. By boosting growth in the private sector, such freedom-enhancing policies are the best hope for bringing down high unemployment rates and reducing public debt to manageable levels. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Which country should Muso move to? |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | sugar wrote: | Now that the US disallows freedom and is slipping into 1984-land, vast hordes of Americans will now leave the land of the broad stripes and bright stars.
Looking down the heritage index of countries that have greater 'economic freedom' than the US gives a number of interesting choices.
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Note that, in some way or another, all these countries offer some kind of government intervention in the healthcare sector. |
I'm taking this thread in the spirit of friendly trolling, since I just know you are a smart and worldly guy who is probably familiar with the creators of this index: The Heritage Foundation (note Rush Limbaugh's smiling face at lower right, encouraging people to join). Spend some time browsing this source you have chosen to support your rhetoric.
But for others not as smart and worldly, understand that the whole purpose of this index is to understate the economic freedom of the U.S., as a way of frightening Americans into fighting for more economic freedom. Read the index's details on the U.S.:
| Quote: | The United States’ economic freedom score of 76.3 drops it to 10th place in the 2012 Index. Its score is 1.5 points lower than last year, reflecting deteriorating scores for government spending, freedom from corruption, and investment freedom. The U.S. is ranked 2nd out of three countries in the North America region, and its overall score remains well above the world and regional averages.
The U.S. economy faces enormous challenges. Although the foundations of economic freedom remain strong, recent government interventions have eroded limits on government, and public spending by all levels of government now exceeds one-third of total domestic output. The regulatory burden on business continues to increase rapidly, and heightened uncertainty further increases regulations’ negative impact. Fading confidence in the government’s determination to promote or even sustain open markets has discouraged entrepreneurship and dynamic investment within the private sector.
Restoring the U.S. economy to the status of a “free” economy will require significant policy changes to reduce the size of government, overhaul the tax system, and transform costly entitlement programs. By boosting growth in the private sector, such freedom-enhancing policies are the best hope for bringing down high unemployment rates and reducing public debt to manageable levels. |
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bwhahahaha
I didn't notice. Canada is ranked 6th!
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Canada is the best of all countries. It's like America's pet poodle, representing the best in what it means to be American.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Canada is the best of all countries. It's like America's pet poodle, representing the best in what it means to be American. |
If anything, she's Englands pet poodle, considering HRH is head of state.
This is just the English demoing how a colony *should* be run.
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| sugar wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Canada is the best of all countries. It's like America's pet poodle, representing the best in what it means to be American. |
If anything, she's Englands pet poodle, considering HRH is head of state.
This is just the English demoing how a colony *should* be run. |
They like to play at that because it makes them feel good. In reality they are dependent on the U.S. for their security, highly dependent of the U.S. economically, and effectively a subset of U.S. culture. They are an appendage of the U.S., who like to make a big show of being independent and different, and they have an inferiority complex which causes them to run down the street naked banging a gong every time they do anything better than the U.S.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Canada is the best of all countries. It's like America's pet poodle, representing the best in what it means to be American. |
If anything, she's Englands pet poodle, considering HRH is head of state.
This is just the English demoing how a colony *should* be run. |
They like to play at that because it makes them feel good. In reality they are dependent on the U.S. for their security, highly dependent of the U.S. economically, and effectively a subset of U.S. culture. They are an appendage of the U.S., who like to make a big show of being independent and different, and they have an inferiority complex which causes them to run down the street naked banging a gong every time they do anything better than the U.S. |
bzzzzt wrong!
There are two words (!) to invalidate your posting. Two vile words that will fill you with despair, realizing that the USA are Canada's bitch.
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