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wswartzendruber
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 Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:38 pm Post subject: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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Oh please. 
You guys with your upside down flags and promises of leaving are, quite frankly, responding to this the whole wrong way. There's still a huge chance that both:
1. Romney will win this November.
2. The GOP will gain the majority in the Senate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obamacare the big reason the Independents flocked to the Republican Party in 2010? Isn't that why they put a Republican in Ted Kennedy's seat before the Obamacare vote? That was Scott Brown's whole campaign foundation.
And don't quote polls. Those all said that Carter would defeat Reagan. Heh.
So let's all fall in and get in formation for this November. This isn't over yet. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | 1. Romney will win this November.
2. The GOP will gain the majority in the Senate. |
And things would be better then, how?
If you think Romney wouldn't be working for the same kind of people you're just deluding yourself.
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pjp
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Romney is no Reagan.
I don't believe Carter was as popular as Obama.
Polls are currently trending in Romney's favor (lets not forget what happened to the polls & Carter).
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wswartzendruber
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see polls being in Romney's favor. RealClearPolitics says Obama's ahead three and a half points. |
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:lol:
Sounds like denial if you think Boehnor is going to impeach Romney.
EDIT: I've seen other polls showing Romney gaining. That's the thing with polls, they are only as useful for eyeballs for the media.
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wswartzendruber
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | 1. Romney will win this November.
2. The GOP will gain the majority in the Senate. |
And things would be better then, how?
If you think Romney wouldn't be working for the same kind of people you're just deluding yourself. |
What the fuck are you rambling on about? This isn't about the rhetoric of "who a president works for." It's simple:
1. Obamacare represents a clear and present danger to the balance of power the federal government holds over us.
2. Romney has sworn to repeal it.
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wswartzendruber
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| pjp wrote: | 
Sounds like denial if you think Boehnor is going to impeach Romney.
EDIT: I've seen other polls showing Romney gaining. That's the thing with polls, they are only as useful for eyeballs for the media. |
I thought that comment was stupid, so I edited it out. |
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I don't things are that bad, even if Obama won again. Which I think might happen if only because it would be the perfect mirror to G.W.
The US tends to get things done right in the end. Even though it sometimes takes a long ass time to get there. I expect healthcare availability/affordability in the US to be pretty damn good in about 20 years. |
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Please visit electoral-vote.com to keep your fantasies in check. Thank you very much.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:39 am Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | 1. Romney will win this November.
2. The GOP will gain the majority in the Senate. |
And things would be better then, how?
If you think Romney wouldn't be working for the same kind of people you're just deluding yourself. |
What the fuck are you rambling on about? This isn't about the rhetoric of "who a president works for." It's simple:
1. Obamacare represents a clear and present danger to the balance of power the federal government holds over us.
2. Romney has sworn to repeal it. |
i'm sorry but the real problem is the supreme courts decision that USians can be taxed if they refuse to act in a way mandated by congress.
obamacare is the catalyst of that decision and it's first application.
i care less about repealing obamacare than as repealing that freaking decision to tax the non-action of a USian citizen... good *luck* with that... |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:04 am Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| jonnevers wrote: | i'm sorry but the real problem is the supreme courts decision that USians can be taxed if they refuse to act in a way mandated by congress.
obamacare is the catalyst of that decision and it's first application.
i care less about repealing obamacare than as repealing that freaking decision to tax the non-action of a USian citizen... good *luck* with that... |
Repealing Obamacare is the first step. The SCOTUS decision isn't goong to be revisited for a long time. Which means a new law must define tax limits, or a Constitutional Amendment would be required. And the law would be challenged, and likely be killed by this court.
So, repeal is the only real option. (Unless the Senate not being allowed to create new taxes is viable.)
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| notageek wrote: | | Please visit electoral-vote.com to keep your fantasies in check. Thank you very much. |
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It's predicting Obama winning, senate becoming dem, and has a nice discussion looking at the historical data vs which party is able to manage the economy better. I won't spoil the surprise!
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wswartzendruber
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| pjp wrote: | | jonnevers wrote: | i'm sorry but the real problem is the supreme courts decision that USians can be taxed if they refuse to act in a way mandated by congress.
obamacare is the catalyst of that decision and it's first application.
i care less about repealing obamacare than as repealing that freaking decision to tax the non-action of a USian citizen... good *luck* with that... |
Repealing Obamacare is the first step. The SCOTUS decision isn't goong to be revisited for a long time. Which means a new law must define tax limits, or a Constitutional Amendment would be required. And the law would be challenged, and likely be killed by this court.
So, repeal is the only real option. (Unless the Senate not being allowed to create new taxes is viable.) |
I don't think the Supreme Court can strike down an amendment. At that point, 3/4 of the states have spoken. |
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wswartzendruber, if it isn't repealed with the next president/congress, I am Japan bound. There truly is no point in staying in the US if it is just another failed leftist state.
However, I have now maxed out to Romney, Lingle, and Djou. I've also contributed to the NRSC & NRCC. So I've given a Hail Mary pass to the GOP to save the country, let's see where it gets us.
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| So the USSR won in the end? |
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| Prenj wrote: | | So the USSR won in the end? |
As they had their sympathizers become the party of big government, currently I'd say it's possible.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: |
You guys with your upside down flags and promises of leaving are, quite frankly, responding to this the whole wrong way. There's still a huge chance that both:
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where will all you nuts go? When bush was in power liberals said they would move to canada (they didn't). I believe the US is unique in having backwards healthcare in the developed world so I don't know where you would go.
Perhaps switzerland (although, you would be shocked at how "free market" it really is there). and then you'll find out that you can't do laundry on sunday.
Back to the US! |
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| Muso wrote: | wswartzendruber, if it isn't repealed with the next president/congress, I am Japan bound. There truly is no point in staying in the US if it is just another failed leftist state.
However, I have now maxed out to Romney, Lingle, and Djou. I've also contributed to the NRSC & NRCC. So I've given a Hail Mary pass to the GOP to save the country, let's see where it gets us. |
is japan better in this respect?
according to the wikigods
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The health care system in Japan provides healthcare services, including screening examinations, prenatal care and infectious disease control, with the patient accepting responsibility for 30% of these costs while the government pays the remaining 70%. Payment for personal medical services is offered through a universal health care insurance system that provides relative equality of access, with fees set by a government committee. People without insurance through employers can participate in a national health insurance programme administered by local governments. Patients are free to select physicians or facilities of their choice and cannot be denied coverage. Hospitals, by law, must be run as non-profit and be managed by physicians. For-profit corporations are not allowed to own or operate hospitals. Clinics must be owned and operated by physicians. |
oh my. where will you go where you are guaranteed your fellow citizens won't be covered by the govt? you are so oppressed. Why isn't the UN doing anything about you lot? ban ki moon, there are people in need! this tragedy reminds me another.
first they gave us universal healthcare, but i spoke out because I was already covered.
then they came for my guns, but I spoke out because ...
wait a sec, this isn't working. I agree with wswartzendruber. perspective please. |
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wswartzendruber
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | wswartzendruber, if it isn't repealed with the next president/congress, I am Japan bound. There truly is no point in staying in the US if it is just another failed leftist state.
However, I have now maxed out to Romney, Lingle, and Djou. I've also contributed to the NRSC & NRCC. So I've given a Hail Mary pass to the GOP to save the country, let's see where it gets us. |
Oh good, at least you're willing to wait until the results are in. And I much recommend South Korea. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | I don't think the Supreme Court can strike down an amendment. At that point, 3/4 of the states have spoken. |
Right. I meant a new law to try limiting this decision would probably not survive, so an amendment would be required. I don't think there is even a 1% chance for an amendment.
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| Muso wrote: | | wswartzendruber, if it isn't repealed with the next president/congress, I am Japan bound. There truly is no point in staying in the US if it is just another failed leftist state. |
Japan isn't exactly an improvement.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| pjp wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | | I don't think the Supreme Court can strike down an amendment. At that point, 3/4 of the states have spoken. |
Right. I meant a new law to try limiting this decision would probably not survive, so an amendment would be required. I don't think there is even a 1% chance for an amendment. |
I think there's a larger chance than that. But it won't be done through the Congress. At least somebody had the foresight to see this coming. I don't know who wrote Article V, but the man was a genius. If the Republicans can take a few more state legislatures, a constitutional convention can be called without any federal say in the matter. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: America's Done, We're All Dead, Waaaaaaahhhhh |
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| juniper wrote: | | where will all you nuts go? |
If they were an honest bunch of people, they would have left after Bush won like they claimed. Then the rest of us could work on restoring the country.
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@w:
The Convention still requires states to ratify, and that is where I think the chances are very limited.
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| pjp wrote: | Romney is no Reagan.
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so there is some hope he does not repeat Reagans stupid taxation and economy policies?
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