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 Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:29 am Post subject: Monday was Swastika Rehabilitation Day |
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| Quote: | LONG BEACH, N.J. -- New Jersey beachgoers were startled over the weekend to see a small plane flying overhead pulling a swastika banner.
Twitter was abuzz with tweets from people who saw the plane fly over Long Beach Island on Saturday afternoon.
The group behind the flight says it wasn't meant as a representation of hate. The International Raelian (RAIL'-ee-ann) Movement says the swastika is actually a symbol of peace and beauty that was corrupted by Nazis in 20th century Germany.
On its website, the group writes that the flight was part of its third swastika rehabilitation day.
Don Pripstein, president of the Jewish Community Center of Long Beach Island, says whatever the group's intentions are, the image is still horrific for many Jews whose relatives were killed in the Holocaust. |
http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/2012/06/25/20120625new-jersey-plane-towing-swastika-banner-startles-beachgoers.html
Read about Raëlism here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Haven't they heard of Hinduism before?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Next we'll see a bunch of printed quadrotors flying a banner with 'hacker' on it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | Next we'll see a bunch of printed quadrotors flying a banner with 'hacker' on it. |
They should have used a blimp with the swastika on it.
There doesn't seem much that can be done these days without causing offence, although I feel sometimes there is a hidden agenda even if that agenda is just self publicity.
Two examples. Short one first: "Hombres de negro II", which is the Spanish title for Men in Black 2. Just the word "negro" is enough there to cause reactionaries to froth copiously mouthways. The other example is for a popular brand of cheddar cheese sold here, Coon. The company was taken to court by an indignant indigenous who claimed that the word "Coon" denigrated black people. The fact that the namesake of the company was a Mr Edward Coon probably escaped him. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I remember Coon cheese from when I was a kid. Good stuff.
Personally I think people need to be offended more often, just so they can learn to deal with it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | I remember Coon cheese from when I was a kid. Good stuff.
Personally I think people need to be offended more often, just so they can learn to deal with it. |
indeed. Some days ago some muslim convert complaint to me that we do not sell muslim-edible food (only stuff containing pork).
My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine.
The expression was priceless.
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notageek
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure you have a fatwa on your name. Be careful.
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This is retarded. I'm pretty sure the Hindus and Buddhists renounced the symbol after it was tarnished by the Nazis.
Flying around a swastika without any kind of explanation isn't rehabilitating, it is ignorant.
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Nevermind. These people are nuts. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | indeed. Some days ago some muslim convert complaint to me that we do not sell muslim-edible food (only stuff containing pork).
My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine. |
Handling that situation obviously depends on how you'd like the interaction to be perceived. You could go the route you took, which might actually harm business. Another option, "No, I'm sorry, we do not. Our customers have not indicated it is something they want. Thank you for your inquiry. If we have enough interest, we would certainly look into what we could offer" could benefit business. I certainly wouldn't want to see any laws requiring religiously approved foods.
Naturally, Mr. Muslim should be free to start his own business, Ixnay the Okrpay.
| sts wrote: | | Flying around a swastika without any kind of explanation isn't rehabilitating, it is ignorant. |
Knee-jerk overreactions to said flying of swastikas is, by definition, even more ignorant. Knee-jerk overreactions are also an actual problem, whereas flying a banner is not.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: |
indeed. Some days ago some muslim convert complaint to me that we do not sell muslim-edible food (only stuff containing pork).
My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine.
The expression was priceless. |
No shortage of halal food in Australia, in fact about half my shopping is probably (coincidentally) halal, but we do live fairly close to the most populous Muslim state on earth. It's probably easier to get kosher food in Germany, but maybe I am wrong.
In any case, teasing Muslims is probably on par with kicking a 1%ers bike.
| sts wrote: | | This is retarded. I'm pretty sure the Hindus and Buddhists renounced the symbol after it was tarnished by the Nazis. |
They did? Do tell. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | Personally I think people need to be offended more often, just so they can learn to deal with it. |
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Like a properly functioning immune system, you absolutely have to have some minimum threshold of exposure to remain healthy and normal.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| sts wrote: | This is retarded. I'm pretty sure the Hindus and Buddhists renounced the symbol after it was tarnished by the Nazis.
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not really. you see plenty of swastikas in india. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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He was using sarcasm.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| sikpuppy wrote: |
| sts wrote: | | This is retarded. I'm pretty sure the Hindus and Buddhists renounced the symbol after it was tarnished by the Nazis. |
They did? Do tell. |
I recall reading that Bhuddists and Hindus decided to avoid using the symbol in the West due to the stigma. Wikipedia seems to indicate I'm an idiot, though.
| pjp wrote: | | sts wrote: | | Flying around a swastika without any kind of explanation isn't rehabilitating, it is ignorant. |
Knee-jerk overreactions to said flying of swastikas is, by definition, even more ignorant. Knee-jerk overreactions are also an actual problem, whereas flying a banner is not. |
It may be ignorant but it should have been anticipated. Educating the public requires a degree of empathy. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| sts wrote: |
I recall reading that Bhuddists and Hindus decided to avoid using the symbol in the West due to the stigma. Wikipedia seems to indicate I'm an idiot, though. |
They may have toned it down in the West, but apart from Richard Gere, there are not that many Western born Buddhists. And I heard he had a hamster with a iron cross on it.
As for empathy, I think empathising with a UFO cult would be hard for me. Nanoo nanoo, live long and prosper. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| sts wrote: | | This is retarded. I'm pretty sure the Hindus and Buddhists renounced the symbol after it was tarnished by the Nazis. |
Why would they? Jains use it too, it is an ancient symbol. On maps in Japan swastikas are used to indicate Buddhist temples.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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There is no stigma associated with the Swastika. It is a symbol of piousness and all that is good.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine.
The expression was priceless. |
Try that in the UK, and (depending on how wet - sorry culturally diverse and liberal the area is),and there's the
potential that you'd probably have to explain yourself to a police officer.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| John-Boy wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine.
The expression was priceless. |
Try that in the UK, and (depending on how wet - sorry culturally diverse and liberal the area is),and there's the
potential that you'd probably have to explain yourself to a police officer. |
Nah, I dunno about that. You would have to be seen to be actually vilifying them. I do get the impression that there is some degree of a confrontational attitude in the actual wording of the above quote.
The UK does seem to have a vague definition of public order laws however. It seems to say that if anyone is offended by someone then that person can be arrested. I am sure it's not that broad, but it appears to be. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | John-Boy wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine.
The expression was priceless. |
Try that in the UK, and (depending on how wet - sorry culturally diverse and liberal the area is),and there's the
potential that you'd probably have to explain yourself to a police officer. |
Nah, I dunno about that. You would have to be seen to be actually vilifying them. I do get the impression that there is some degree of a confrontational attitude in the actual wording of the above quote.
The UK does seem to have a vague definition of public order laws however. It seems to say that if anyone is offended by someone then that person can be arrested. I am sure it's not that broad, but it appears to be. |
I don't mean that you'd actually be charged (God I hope not anyway), but there exists the danger of "you're only saying that because "
(of race, religion, sexual preference - delete as appropriate), I'm reporting you.
There's a law of inciting racial hatred - or more broadly - hate crime, anything that can be determined to fall under this umbrella adds a weight to any tariff to be served.
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: |
indeed. Some days ago some muslim convert complaint to me that we do not sell muslim-edible food (only stuff containing pork).
My answer: you choose your religion. It is your choice not to eat pork. So it is your problem, not mine.
The expression was priceless. |
No shortage of halal food in Australia, in fact about half my shopping is probably (coincidentally) halal, but we do live fairly close to the most populous Muslim state on earth. It's probably easier to get kosher food in Germany, but maybe I am wrong.
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there is no shortage of halal food here either. If he wanted he could walk the 200m to the next turkish döner.
I was just teasing him.
But seriously, one person out of 100 demands a change - why should the other 99 bend over?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | But seriously, one person out of 100 demands a change - why should the other 99 bend over? |
Because you're a multicultural, diverse, inclusive and tolerant society.
And you're guilty of an ism if you don't. All hail the PC stick of whacking.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| sts wrote: | | It may be ignorant but it should have been anticipated. Educating the public requires a degree of empathy. |
Educating the public requires willing participants. As for the banner, if it had been done in a PC manner, it would likely have gone unnoticed.
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