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BoneKracker Veteran


Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:04 am Post subject: Global Warming is Real! |
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It was 98 degrees here yesterday and today.
And, species extinction is happening! mcgruff was right! Something broke into my bluebird house and there are feathers all over the ground beneath it (must have been a racoon, as opening it requires climbing up a pole and than manipulating a little latch. I suppose it could have been the evil fisher if he has run out of coons to eat. I don't hear the racoons chattering away as much at night, in back by my river, or screaming when the fisher tries to eat them, and I haven't seen them marching across the field in the moonlight to raid my neighbor's garbage (although that could be because he finally secured it). Fishers eat cats too, which may mean my old cat's days are numbered.
Some kind of black bird with a blue head (grackle, I think) has savagely attacked two finches under my bird feeder and eaten their innards. The moles that have been wreaking havoc on my front yard along the rock wall are apparently gone this year. The great blue heron has not returned to nest along the river in back (although that could be because my neighbor virtually deforested his adjacent land to use as a "campground" and kids and a dog have been running around back there). There are more hummingbirds this year than I've ever seen (enough to suck down a whole pint of sugar water every day).
The Asian tiger mosquitoes that showed up last year seem to have completely taken over from the indigenous ones (which is good actually, because even though there are more of them, they seem to be slow and stupid, and you can usually kill them before they bite). Black flies (not house flies, the tiny biting, blood-licking black flies of the family Simuliidae) seem to have abandoned the valley over the fast few years but are still voracious in the mountains. Biting horse and deer flies are still around.
My five foot tall Dwarf Alberta Spruce was devoured by spruce spider mites (who, I have learned from the Interent, prefer Dwarf Alberta Spruce to all other food, and which have never been a problem here before). I cut it down, burned it, dug up the roots, and sodded over the spot.
Most frightening of all, the family of chipmunks in my front yard have lost their fear of my cat (they were just sitting there, four feet apart, looking at each other) and a big fat one got run over by a car (rare for smart, nimble chipmunks).
I take these as signs the end is near.
On the good side, the barn swallows returned to nest over my garage door (they had gone away for a couple years). The robins are hopping around all over the yard as usual. The goldfinches, house finches, red-winged blackbirds, grackles, bluejays and cardinals are all back and devouring the bird food I put out. As usual there are a couple of huge crows perched high up in the trees being bad-asses and eagles occasionally circling high overhead. The gray squirrels are already doing their reconnaissance of my oak trees, and as usual, performing acrobatics to try and rob my bird feeders. The flora seems generally unfazed by climate change and, if anything, is doing extraordinarily well. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four. |
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Muso l33t


Joined: 22 Oct 2002 Posts: 655 Location: The Holy city of Honolulu
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:55 am Post subject: |
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We're all Going To Die!! _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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BoneKracker Veteran


Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Should I kill the fisher, before he kills my cat? Or would that be too Bush-like. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four. |
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Ahenobarbi Developer


Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 336 Location: Warsaw, PL
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | | We're all Going To Die!! |
This is uncomfortably correct.
| BoneKracker wrote: | | Should I kill the fisher, before he kills my cat? Or would that be too Bush-like. |
Get a cat that eats fishers  |
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Catanduva n00b

Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Posts: 57
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Apocalypses aside, you seen to live in a wonderful place.
I love nature, but fucking hate spiders (the tiny ones doesn't bother me). If someday i own a land i'll put a big sign with a spider drawing with a red cross in it so spiders won't enter. |
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Old School Apprentice


Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 231 Location: The Covered Bridge Capital of Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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High of 64 here today, and rain. On the other hand, last fall we had salmon running in the river for the first time in over 25 years. They were spawning along a river bar right off my back yard.
Something ate a couple of our cantaloupe plants the other night. Maybe it was the salmon. _________________ I am not young enough to know everything.
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pjp Administrator


Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 16029 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Catanduva wrote: | | I love nature, but fucking hate spiders (the tiny ones doesn't bother me). If someday i own a land i'll put a big sign with a spider drawing with a red cross in it so spiders won't enter. |
lol
http://www.koaa.com/news/tarantulas-on-the-crawl/
They can be seen crossing roads too. When global warming moves their habitat north to where I live, I'll be moving. So far they're staying south. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


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Catanduva n00b

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| If spiders die with the climate change i'll start to fart right now. |
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Ahenobarbi Developer


Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 336 Location: Warsaw, PL
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Catanduva wrote: | | If spiders die with the climate change i'll start to fart right now. |
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Old School Apprentice


Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 231 Location: The Covered Bridge Capital of Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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A bunch of maybes and might happens. Real good science there.  _________________ I am not young enough to know everything.
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Climate change affects more than temperature. Impacts include shifts in rainfall and storm patterns, catastrophic wildfires, and water shortages, as well as rising sea levels, loss of sea ice, ocean acidification, and coastal flooding and erosion. These changes are already having significant effects on fish, wildlife and plants here in the United States, necessitating new resource management approaches for climate adaptation. |
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sikpuppy n00b


Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 23 Location: Central Coast, NSW
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| What if I agree with the facts, but then state that I don't really care? Is that bad? Should I care about not caring? Should I turn my limited brainspace into a bleeding spagettified mess because I couldn't give a rats arse about not giving a rats arse about rats arses? |
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Ahenobarbi Developer


Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 336 Location: Warsaw, PL
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | What if I agree with the facts, but then state that I don't really care? Is that bad? Should I care about not caring? Should I turn my limited brainspace into a bleeding spagettified mess because I couldn't give a rats arse about not giving a rats arse about rats arses? |
Climate changed massively and humans managed to survive with much less technology than currently available (and no prior notice) so I don't think it will be a problem (if anything really happens...) |
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sikpuppy n00b


Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 23 Location: Central Coast, NSW
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahenobarbi wrote: |
Climate changed massively and humans managed to survive with much less technology than currently available (and no prior notice) so I don't think it will be a problem (if anything really happens...) |
Me either. My house is a fair way above sea level, and in any case is on stilts so I can see it floating if the sea rises without me noticing, like during sex or something. It's all good. |
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What if I agree with the facts, but then state that I don't really care? |
I know what you mean. Worrying about the environment is so neanderthal. If I'm hungry I don't need to go hunting I'll just nip round the corner for a Big Mac and Brawndo. You can keep your ecosystems and dirty, smelly animals and shit. Who cares if they're dead. _________________ the underlay overlay |
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahenobarbi wrote: | | Climate changed massively and humans managed to survive with much less technology than currently available (and no prior notice) so I don't think it will be a problem (if anything really happens...) |
How they survived is a tale to tell though, is it not? Even small changes in climate have been devastating to human societies throughout history, unleashing plague, famine, and war. The fact that, as a species, we "survived" these changes glosses over the terrible consequences for those who lived through the upheaval and societal breakdown caused by climate change.
http://shotgunchelle.hubpages.com/hub/Climate-change-human-history
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/49/19214.full
Some poorer countries will suffer most but even in the industrialised west we will not be spared the effects of climate change. _________________ the underlay overlay |
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Ahenobarbi Developer


Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 336 Location: Warsaw, PL
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mcgruff wrote: | | Quote: | | What if I agree with the facts, but then state that I don't really care? |
I know what you mean. Worrying about the environment is so neanderthal. If I'm hungry I don't need to go hunting I'll just nip round the corner for a Big Mac and Brawndo. You can keep your ecosystems and dirty, smelly animals and shit. Who cares if they're dead. |
Nope. People should worry about environment, yet
| Martin Luther wrote: | | “Human reason is like a drunken man on horseback; set it up on one side, and it tumbles over on the other” |
and we were on the "not care about environment" side a few decades ago. I figure we are going to "care so much starts doing a lot of stupid things" side. Besides there are more important/pressing/better confirmed things to worry about than climate change. |
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Muso l33t


Joined: 22 Oct 2002 Posts: 655 Location: The Holy city of Honolulu
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims - Challenge UN IPCC & Gore
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More than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report -- updated from the 2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the last update in March 2009. This report's release coincides with the 2010 UN global warming summit in being held in Cancun.
The more than 300 additional scientists added to this report since March 2009 (21 months ago), represents an average of nearly four skeptical scientists a week speaking out publicly. The well over 1,000 dissenting scientists are almost 20 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grew louder in 2010 as the Climategate scandal -- which involved the upper echelon of UN IPCC scientists -- detonated upon on the international climate movement. "I view Climategate as science fraud, pure and simple," said noted Princeton Physicist Dr. Robert Austin shortly after the scandal broke. Climategate prompted UN IPCC scientists to turn on each other. UN IPCC scientist Eduardo Zorita publicly declared that his Climategate colleagues Michael Mann and Phil Jones "should be barred from the IPCC process...They are not credible anymore." Zorita also noted how insular the IPCC science had become. "By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication," Zorita wrote. A UN lead author Richard Tol grew disillusioned with the IPCC and lamented that it had been "captured" and demanded that "the Chair of IPCC and the Chairs of the IPCC Working Groups should be removed." Tol also publicly called for the "suspension" of IPCC Process in 2010 after being invited by the UN to participate as lead author again in the next IPCC Report. [Note: Zorita and Tol are not included in the count of dissenting scientists in this report.]
Other UN scientists were more blunt. A South African UN scientist declared the UN IPCC a "worthless carcass" and noted IPCC chair Pachauri is in "disgrace". He also explained that the "fraudulent science continues to be exposed." Alexander, a former member of the UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters harshly critiqued the UN. "'I was subjected to vilification tactics at the time. I persisted. Now, at long last, my persistence has been rewarded...There is no believable evidence to support [the IPCC] claims. I rest my case!" See: S. African UN Scientist Calls it! 'Climate change - RIP: Cause of Death: No scientifically believable evidence...Deliberate manipulation to suit political objectives' [Also see: New Report: UN Scientists Speak Out On Global Warming -- As Skeptics!] Geologist Dr. Don Easterbrook, a professor of geology at Western Washington University, summed up the scandal on December 3, 2010: "The corruption within the IPCC revealed by the Climategate scandal, the doctoring of data and the refusal to admit mistakes have so severely tainted the IPCC that it is no longer a credible agency." |
Direct link to the pdf _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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Ahenobarbi Developer


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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| mcgruff wrote: | | Ahenobarbi wrote: | | Climate changed massively and humans managed to survive with much less technology than currently available (and no prior notice) so I don't think it will be a problem (if anything really happens...) |
How they survived is a tale to tell though, is it not? Even small changes in climate have been devastating to human societies throughout history, unleashing plague, famine, and war. The fact that, as a species, we "survived" these changes glosses over the terrible consequences for those who lived through the upheaval and societal breakdown caused by climate change.
http://shotgunchelle.hubpages.com/hub/Climate-change-human-history
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/49/19214.full
Some poorer countries will suffer most but even in the industrialised west we will not be spared the effects of climate change. |
You did notice that first page is quite vague and second discusses negative impact of climate cooling? |
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Old School Apprentice


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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Every single one of them are incompetent, and under the pay of big oil.
And obviously racist homophobes to boot. _________________ I am not young enough to know everything.
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Ahenobarbi Developer


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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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You want a potato? |
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahenobarbi wrote: | | You did notice that first page is quite vague and second discusses negative impact of climate cooling? |
Both cooling and warming can disrupt agriculture. _________________ the underlay overlay |
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Old School wrote: | | Every single one of them are incompetent, and under the pay of big oil. |
Funny you mention that. Climate Depot has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from ExxonMobil. Their list of "scientists" is bullshit, containing tv weather forecasters, economists, amateurs, and even some who have complained about being included on the list.
The really interesting thing is how naive these fake lists reveal some people to be about the process of science. Science is not carried out by petition. Could I get a list of signatures to put a stop to gravity? I don't think so. _________________ the underlay overlay |
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