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guest122
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 Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: Is UNIX a mindset? |
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Hello.
Pre-info: I am a GNU/Linux guy who hates windows and Mac (only OSes and not people!!). And by hackers I mean hackers, not crackers.
So there are professional IT men who use windows. Like 95% of time. There are also professionals who use just about every popular OS. Normally three of them - Windows, Mac, GNU/Linux. There are also professionals/hackers who use only UNIX/Linux and are disgusted by what is not UNIX. And those are also very deep men. That makes me think about something I can't really specify. I can't really understand what is it I tend to ponder on. Is UNIX a mindset? I mean when a hacker is disgusted by Windows and also by Mac beacuse even though it's (Mac) based on BSD - it's not BSD. Is it a philosophy? What is UNIX way? Why would a hacker do all IT things the UNIX way? Why would a UNIX hacker prefer UNIX everywhere?
So yeah... These are my muddled thoughts. What do you think? |
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Muso
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Is UNIX a mindset? |
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| guest122 wrote: | | There are also professionals/hackers who use only UNIX/Linux and are disgusted by what is not UNIX. And those are also very deep men. |
There's nothing deep about hating a tool. Windows has its uses, as do macs.
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BonezTheGoon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Is UNIX a mindset? |
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| guest122 wrote: | Hello.
Pre-info: I am a GNU/Linux guy who hates windows and Mac (only OSes and not people!!). And by hackers I mean hackers, not crackers.
So there are professional IT men who use windows. Like 95% of time. There are also professionals who use just about every popular OS. Normally three of them - Windows, Mac, GNU/Linux. There are also professionals/hackers who use only UNIX/Linux and are disgusted by what is not UNIX. And those are also very deep men. That makes me think about something I can't really specify. I can't really understand what is it I tend to ponder on. Is UNIX a mindset? I mean when a hacker is disgusted by Windows and also by Mac beacuse even though it's (Mac) based on BSD - it's not BSD. Is it a philosophy? What is UNIX way? Why would a hacker do all IT things the UNIX way? Why would a UNIX hacker prefer UNIX everywhere?
So yeah... These are my muddled thoughts. What do you think? |
I think that with sufficient knowledge, drive, and creativity the mind loathes limits that are externally imposed. So, as Muso said there are uses for Windows and Macs, and personally I'd relegate those uses to people without "sufficient knowledge, drive, and creativity" in the ways of computing and operating systems. What I'd argue is that for many people who have passed some specific threshold in the ways of computing and operating systems they accept the increased responsibility to enjoy more freedom. As we all know with great freedom comes great responsibility. There is much more freedom and control in the Unix/Linux world, in general. For users and situations that don't need freedom, or where it is actually detrimental, often another OS is a better or more elegant solution. Even some of my IT genius co-workers who have the sufficient knowledge and creativity, they lack the drive in their personal computing uses and resort to a lower-maintenance more "one size fits all" OS simply because they DON'T need the freedom there and they enjoy the reduced responsibility and effort -- while at work they see the value in maintaining a more robust, more dynamic and accommodating OS that requires more diligence and effort.
So, to try and answer you most directly: "No, I don't think that Unix/Linux is a mind-set. I think that with sufficient mastery and drive, in almost any and every field, there are those who want and accept the increased responsibility to step outside the safety net or 'normalcy' to push things further than the majority. I'd call, as I read in a very good article and have assimilated into my lexicon, these people 'Maximizers'. Some people do this in the OS world, which I would argue is represented at present, by working with Unix/Linux. I think, and hope, that if and when an even better solution to those needs in the OS world is available that these 'Maximizers' will happily and readily switch to it in order to best push progress forward, with little to no fear of the change. I would say that 'Maximizing' is the mindset and that some 'Maximizers' apply their passion to the OS world, which you see as a Unix/Linux mind-set."
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aidanjt
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Is UNIX a mindset? |
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| Muso wrote: | | There's nothing deep about hating a tool. |
Are you sure about that? My hate for Justin Bieber runs pretty deep.
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Prenj
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tbh I like the fact that in linux (or BSD for that matter) I can just use any of the toolkits and go on and turn my crazy ideas into software that may or may not work, without distractions of licensing, corporate bullshit and all that.
On the other hand, when I am not coding, I want stuff just to work. So autistically ugly user interfaces, hassle with drivers and hentai icons irritate me to no end, so I use windows.
Could be that Mac can be perfect blend, but the whole deal with price tag and snobbism turns me off. So I just dual-boot, according to the need.
Besides a lot of stuff I come in contact with doesn't run on anything but windows, so my opinion is irrelevant. |
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djdunn
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honestly anymore in recent years, i've had more problems trying to get things to work correctly with windows than linux. even vidogames seem to work better with wine than win vista or 7
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slonocode
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| djdunn wrote: | | honestly anymore in recent years, i've had more problems trying to get things to work correctly with windows than linux. even vidogames seem to work better with wine than win vista or 7 |
lol |
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