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Ron Paul has already won
Author seems a little dreamy for Paul, but there is some truth in it. I'm not convinced it is as significant as the author believes.
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Kinda like jesus "won" even after being pwned. Racist Ron's supporters are such deluded cultists.
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| runningwithscissors wrote: | | Kinda like jesus "won" even after being pwned. Racist Ron's supporters are such deluded cultists. |
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While I agree with Dr. Paul's domestic agenda, too many of his supporters fit your definition.
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| Muso wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Kinda like jesus "won" even after being pwned. Racist Ron's supporters are such deluded cultists. |
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While I agree with Dr. Paul's domestic agenda, too many of his supporters fit your definition. |
It's actually the cultist behaviour of his supporters that I object to more than his policies. While I do not agree with a lot of his politics, he and his supporters are perfectly entitled to them and my approval of them is irrelevant.
What is annoying is the messiah-like worship of him and the implication that if you don't like him, you must be some kind of evil freedom-hating villain.
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Whenever a man a placed above a principle, there is danger. Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, FDR...
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| runningwithscissors wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Kinda like jesus "won" even after being pwned. Racist Ron's supporters are such deluded cultists. |
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While I agree with Dr. Paul's domestic agenda, too many of his supporters fit your definition. |
It's actually the cultist behaviour of his supporters that I object to more than his policies. While I do not agree with a lot of his politics, he and his supporters are perfectly entitled to them and my approval of them is irrelevant.
What is annoying is the messiah-like worship of him and the implication that if you don't like him, you must be some kind of evil freedom-hating villain. |
when all the rest of the candidates are authoritarians, then yes, opposition = freedom-hating villains. |
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| When the hell were Ron Paul's supporters racist? |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | When the hell were Ron Paul's supporters racist? |
since the day he wrote his racist newsletter.
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | When the hell were Ron Paul's supporters racist? |
They aren't, but that never stops the race baiters.
| Muso wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Kinda like jesus "won" even after being pwned. Racist Ron's supporters are such deluded cultists. |
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While I agree with Dr. Paul's domestic agenda, too many of his supporters fit your definition. |
No more or less than anyone else.
| Muso wrote: | | Whenever a man a placed above a principle, there is danger. Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, FDR... |
But it is the principles that are important, not Paul. He just happens to be the messenger in the right place at the right time.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | another gem by Ron Paul: abolish the3 police, only owning guns can make you safe (he just ignores places like.. Somalia who prove him wrong) |
Because people, attitudes, social norms, tradition, religion, literacy, etc are exactly the same in Somalia and the US. Clearly the only difference is the police force, so eliminating it will instantly turn the US into Somalia.
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This is an off-tangent comment but an observation that could be relevant.
I often wonder why some countries are more developed than others. What is it that they did, other's haven't. I see a fundamental condition for a country to be successful. It is sincerity, which comes from honestly believing what you erm... believe.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | seriously |
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I can live with my neighbor saying "I don't like you guys from Balkans, you are too loud and macho, and you suck at fine civilization stuff". It is a stereotype and generalisation, but there is a truth to it as well, we have been at war with someone, for someone or among ourselves since roman times (probably even before, tho nobody recorded it back then). So I don't mind that. It sucks if you start another career path, but it can be overcome.
However, fucked up government, skinning you alive, enslaving you, and devaluating anything you do or acquire, that is a bigger issue.
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It's funny listening to energyman76b "complain" about somebody being racist.
On the original point, I do think Ron Paul has had a positive impact, perhaps most importantly, on young people.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | Because people, attitudes, social norms, tradition, religion, literacy, etc are exactly the same in Somalia and the US. Clearly the only difference is the police force, so eliminating it will instantly turn the US into Somalia. |
Your argument is american exceptionalism?
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| runningwithscissors wrote: | | Your argument is american exceptionalism? |
Weak troll is weak. From wiki, "American exceptionalism is the theory that the United States has a specific world mission to spread liberty and democracy." Obviously I am making no such argument. Not a convincing troll, rws. I expect better of you.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | Weak troll is weak. From wiki, "American exceptionalism is the theory that the United States has a specific world mission to spread liberty and democracy." Obviously I am making no such argument. Not a convincing troll, rws. I expect better of you. |
| wikipedia wrote: | | Although the term does not necessarily imply superiority, many neoconservative and American conservative writers have promoted its use in that sense. To them, the United States is like the biblical "shining city on a hill," and exempt from historical forces that have affected other countries. |
Your argument is similar in that the USA is unlikely to fall into the same kind of situation as present-day Somalia because it is "different" ("exceptional" since it is "too awesome" to regress into barbarity like other countries in the absence of government enforced law-and-order).
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| runningwithscissors wrote: | | Your argument is similar in that the USA is unlikely to fall into the same kind of situation as present-day Somalia because it is "different" ("exceptional" since it is "too awesome" to regress into barbarity like other countries in the absence of government enforced law-and-order). |
I never said anything about US being "awesome," just that it is not the same as Somalia. No one can deny that. Somalia was a violent, brutish place even when they had police. It's an idiotic comparison between dissimilar people and culture.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Your argument is similar in that the USA is unlikely to fall into the same kind of situation as present-day Somalia because it is "different" ("exceptional" since it is "too awesome" to regress into barbarity like other countries in the absence of government enforced law-and-order). |
I never said anything about US being "awesome," just that it is not the same as Somalia. No one can deny that. Somalia was a violent, brutish place even when they had police. It's an idiotic comparison between dissimilar people and culture. |
I of course disagree with you wrt to police, but I am sure you would say the same of any country with similar culture to the US (i.e. most western democracies). clearly, the difference between any of them and somalia is more than the police. |
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| juniper wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Your argument is similar in that the USA is unlikely to fall into the same kind of situation as present-day Somalia because it is "different" ("exceptional" since it is "too awesome" to regress into barbarity like other countries in the absence of government enforced law-and-order). |
I never said anything about US being "awesome," just that it is not the same as Somalia. No one can deny that. Somalia was a violent, brutish place even when they had police. It's an idiotic comparison between dissimilar people and culture. |
I of course disagree with you wrt to police, but I am sure you would say the same of any country with similar culture to the US (i.e. most western democracies). clearly, the difference between any of them and somalia is more than the police. |
Unlike most Western democracies, Somalia was colonized by the Italians, so what do you expect?
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Your argument is similar in that the USA is unlikely to fall into the same kind of situation as present-day Somalia because it is "different" ("exceptional" since it is "too awesome" to regress into barbarity like other countries in the absence of government enforced law-and-order). |
I never said anything about US being "awesome," just that it is not the same as Somalia. No one can deny that. Somalia was a violent, brutish place even when they had police. It's an idiotic comparison between dissimilar people and culture. |
I of course disagree with you wrt to police, but I am sure you would say the same of any country with similar culture to the US (i.e. most western democracies). clearly, the difference between any of them and somalia is more than the police. |
Unlike most Western democracies, Somalia was colonized by the Italians, so what do you expect? |
The City is not far from me right now (no, I am not a banker), and its walls were built by the romans.
pretty much all of europe under italian rule at one point. |
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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: | | runningwithscissors wrote: | | Your argument is similar in that the USA is unlikely to fall into the same kind of situation as present-day Somalia because it is "different" ("exceptional" since it is "too awesome" to regress into barbarity like other countries in the absence of government enforced law-and-order). |
I never said anything about US being "awesome," just that it is not the same as Somalia. No one can deny that. Somalia was a violent, brutish place even when they had police. It's an idiotic comparison between dissimilar people and culture. |
I of course disagree with you wrt to police, but I am sure you would say the same of any country with similar culture to the US (i.e. most western democracies). clearly, the difference between any of them and somalia is more than the police. |
Unlike most Western democracies, Somalia was colonized by the Italians, so what do you expect? |
The City is not far from me right now (no, I am not a banker), and its walls were built by the romans.
pretty much all of europe under italian rule at one point. |
Romans != Italians 
Especially not Southern Italians.
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