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| I want to see some display of fireworks. |
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| Quote: | | To put the unmanned Dragon into an orbit where it can dock with the international space station, SpaceX must launch it within a narrow timeframe. As soon as its computers automatically shut down the launch, the optimal one-second window had passed and there was no opportunity for another attempt. The next opportunity for a launch attempt is on Tuesday, according to NASA. |
One-second launch window? Wow, these guys are hardcore. I wonder if they fire you for being more than one second late to work?
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I wonder if the likelihood of success with a one-second window is worth the cost of trying. Seems like waiting for Tuesday would make more sense.
NPR mentioned the window had to do with docking with the ISS and the fuel required for course corrections.
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| No, it cannot dock. It just gets close the ISS and then it has to be dragged in by two of the crew. I would not give the makers of this thingy permission to launch in the first place, not to mention getting close to the ISS. We'll see... |
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It is capable of being at dock. Seems like pulling it by hand would be less risky.
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| Even the first steps the Russians took back in the 60s and early 70s (Salyut 1) were more sophisticated than this show. This thingy is not at dock, it's a duck. |
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| wildhorse wrote: | | Even the first steps the Russians took back in the 60s and early 70s (Salyut 1) were more sophisticated than this show. This thingy is not at dock, it's a duck. |
You can start flapping your lips when some greasy Spaniard sets foot on the Moon (assuming you Europeans can stand each other's odors in close confinement that long) or you're broadcasting video from Mars do a flyby of Uranus.
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| wildhorse wrote: | | Even the first steps the Russians took back in the 60s and early 70s (Salyut 1) were more sophisticated than this show. This thingy is not at dock, it's a duck. |
Falcon 9/Dragon are so superior to the Soyuz, it's laughable. This one mission will duplicate most everything and more than the entire Gemini Program. If it wasn't for the one second window, they might have been able to launch again within 20 minutes, which has been done before by SpaceX and the Falcon 9. The entire Soyuz decent module can fit within the pressure shell of the Dragon capsule.
The reason for the one second window is because the Dragon capsule will be doing extensive maneuvers before approaching the station, and then doing a fly around, then an approach to the station with a couple of Retreat and Auto Hold commands. This stretches fuel usage to the max, so they have to wait for the exact launch inclination. Because this is a test mission, the Dragon will not dock with the station, but will be grappled and berthed to the station. Future missions will see the auto dock system, LIDAR, used (which was successfully flown on a Shuttle flight).
The other advantage over the ESA POS, and Soyuz is the ability to return as much mass as it delivers.
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| Old School wrote: | | The other advantage over the ESA POS, and Soyuz is the ability to return as much mass as it delivers. |
... without broadcasting the horrific screams of immolated, sizzling Cosmonauts as they hurtle to Earth in a fucking ball of flame.
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| wildhorse wrote: | | This thingy is not at dock |
I didn't say it was. Obviously it has to launch first.
How's the ESPS Inquisition coming along?
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The wife woke me up so I could watch the launch. It went real smooth until that last half second. 
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If anti-space people are right about rockets being giant phalluses for frustated geeks, then this was big-time coitus interruptus.
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Роскосмос and ESA deliver routinely supplies to the ISS with fully automated vehicles and the yanks get excited over a comparison with the early Soviet Union space program. Great! I hope to see more of this show.  |
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| wildhorse wrote: | | I would not give the makers of this thingy permission to launch in the first place |
ok, your highness 
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| Muso wrote: | | wildhorse wrote: | | I would not give the makers of this thingy permission to launch in the first place |
ok, your highness |
Any time.
Next possible launch on Tuesday at 9.44 CEST. I doubt it will happen, after the last mishap. In June, there is a time period of two weeks without any launch window due to a beta angle cut out. Plenty of other missions have already been scheduled after that. I presume SpaceX will take the opportunity to ask the Chinese for help.
Oh, and Old School gets a bit more sleep. How is that for a change? |
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| wildhorse wrote: | | Роскосмос and ESA deliver routinely supplies to the ISS with fully automated vehicles and the yanks get excited over a comparison with the early Soviet Union space program. Great! I hope to see more of this show. |
ESA "routinely" delivers? How many flights in the last few years? Two? And the ESA POS burns up in the atmosphere; you people haven't even figured out how to land! 
The Soyuz is a very limited vehicle that needs an application of Vaseline just to shoehorn three people in it's very limited space. Russian boosters don't have enough thrust to get a Dragon capsule off the ground.
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| wildhorse wrote: | Next possible launch on Tuesday at 9.44 CEST.
Oh, and Old School gets a bit more sleep. How is that for a change? |
Works out perfect for me. I will have just gotten home from watching Roger Waters' The Wall concert. 
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | The other advantage over the ESA POS, and Soyuz is the ability to return as much mass as it delivers. |
... without broadcasting the horrific screams of immolated, sizzling Cosmonauts as they hurtle to Earth in a fucking ball of flame. |
yeah, burning them on the launchpad, like you guys prefer, or just falling apart is much more sophisticated.
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| Blowing up during a launch is another sophisticated way of dying. |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | The other advantage over the ESA POS, and Soyuz is the ability to return as much mass as it delivers. |
... without broadcasting the horrific screams of immolated, sizzling Cosmonauts as they hurtle to Earth in a fucking ball of flame. |
Is anything capable of not hurtling back in a ball of flame? I just figured that was one of the risks of the job.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | The other advantage over the ESA POS, and Soyuz is the ability to return as much mass as it delivers. |
... without broadcasting the horrific screams of immolated, sizzling Cosmonauts as they hurtle to Earth in a fucking ball of flame. |
yeah, burning them on the launchpad, like you guys prefer, or just falling apart is much more sophisticated. |
You're missing the point. They knowingly sent him up in a totally fucked up piece of fail, knowing he would die, just so they could claim the glory of having sent the first man into space. That's what he was screaming about on the way back down. Read the article. Individual lives do matter in the grand scheme of socialism/communism.
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| I heard the Apollo 1 crew that died in a ball of fire at the launch pad cursed American imperialism and Lyndon Johnson for sacrificing them only to increase his chances to be reelected. |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | I heard the Apollo 1 crew that died in a ball of fire at the launch pad cursed American imperialism and Lyndon Johnson for sacrificing them only to increase his chances to be reelected. |
Is it just this group of dead people's voices you hear, or are there others?
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