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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:09 am Post subject: Awesome teacher fired for excellent idea (Cone of Shame) |
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Teacher Used "Cone Of Shame" To Discipline Students
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Just the other day in my office I found a cubicle labelled "Cubicle of Shame."
It had a further details of who'd qualify to sit there (had to do with some metrics). And I immediately thought "Manager of the year."
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same thing happened in Bavaria. Math teacher incited the love for math in the kids. They all excelled in the tests - and she was removed. Because the Ministry WANTS failing kids.
You need retards to buy crap and let the banking system rob you without complaining.
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WTF? The teacher gets through to the kids, they excel, teacher gets fired for owning too much?
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| Shadow Skill wrote: | | WTF? The teacher gets through to the kids, they excel, teacher gets fired for owning too much? |
The education bureaucracy doesn't want smart, well informed young people, they want slowed down drones who're compliant with the bureaucracy and wont rock the boat or do their job well.
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Awesome teacher fired for excellent idea (Cone of Shame) |
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ZOMG! Torture!!!111
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Awesome teacher fired for excellent idea (Cone of Shame) |
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| pjp wrote: | | ZOMG! Torture!!!111 |
Nope, just regular child abuse. But I could understand how the psychotic could confuse the two.
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Awesome teacher fired for excellent idea (Cone of Shame) |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Nope, just regular child abuse. |
:rotflmao:
:facepalm:
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Awesome teacher fired for excellent idea (Cone of Shame) |
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| pjp wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | Nope, just regular child abuse. |
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no, it really is. A funny hat is one thing, such a device usually used on animals is abuse.
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I don't see how it differs from a hat. Other than it not being a hat.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Shadow Skill wrote: | | WTF? The teacher gets through to the kids, they excel, teacher gets fired for owning too much? |
The education bureaucracy doesn't want smart, well informed young people, they want slowed down drones who're compliant with the bureaucracy and wont rock the boat or do their job well. |
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a teachers job is to empower students, not to repress them.
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Definitely child abuse. As I tried to illustrate with an example in the corporate world but went :whoosh:
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No, there is (or was). I went back to see who was sitting there (not that I'd know who he/she was) but they had removed the sign.
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Obviously it is child abuse. Would you use this device to discipline your grandparents? No? Then why would you think it is OK to use it on children?
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| dmitchell wrote: | | Obviously it is child abuse. Would you use this device to discipline your grandparents? No? Then why would you think it is OK to use it on children? |
You've used that rule of thumb before, and I hope you didn't learn from some so-called parenting expert. Grandparents are not children. While senior citizens may suffer from diminished capacity, a senior's caregiver trying to maximize the quality of their last few years is only superficially similar to a parent preparing a developing child for adult life.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | You've used that rule of thumb before, and I hope you didn't learn from some so-called parenting expert. Grandparents are not children. While senior citizens may suffer from diminished capacity, a senior's caregiver trying to maximize the quality of their last few years is only superficially similar to a parent preparing a developing child for adult life. |
Grandparents aren't the point. Would you use it on any adult whatsoever? Would you use it on an employee? On your spouse? On a colleague? The point isn't grandparents. The point is that children are people, and I submit that this is an unacceptable way to treat people.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | You've used that rule of thumb before, and I hope you didn't learn from some so-called parenting expert. Grandparents are not children. While senior citizens may suffer from diminished capacity, a senior's caregiver trying to maximize the quality of their last few years is only superficially similar to a parent preparing a developing child for adult life. |
Grandparents aren't the point. Would you use it on any adult whatsoever? Would you use it on an employee? On your spouse? On a colleague? The point isn't grandparents. The point is that children are people, and I submit that this is an unacceptable way to treat people. |
Adults are not children either. However, in some circumstances, a person's role might be similar to that of a parent preparing a developing child for adult life, and I could see something like this being used effectively, provided it is used responsibly. How is it any different from a college professor humiliating a student verbally for not knowing the material, showing up late, etc.?
If your role involves teaching a developing person to feel a sense of personal responsibility for something important, then providing a touch of public humiliation when they are failing to show that responsibility may be quite appropriate.
Granted, the dog cone is a bit over the top, but apparently it was being used in a spirit of fun and was not being used systematically (it just happened to be there). I imagine that if the student had refused to put it on, that would have been the end of it, or the teacher would have done whatever she normally does (such as send the student to the principal's office).
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Excessive coddling is child abuse.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | Adults are not children either. However, in some circumstances, a person's role might be similar to that of a parent preparing a developing child for adult life, and I could see something like this being used effectively, provided it is used responsibly. How is it any different from a college professor humiliating a student verbally for not knowing the material, showing up late, etc.?
If your role involves teaching a developing person to feel a sense of personal responsibility for something important, then providing a touch of public humiliation when they are failing to show that responsibility may be quite appropriate. |
I'm against humiliation too. One way it is different is that neuroscience has found emotionally traumatic childhood events actually cause physical damage to a child's brain. Fragile. Handle with care.
| Quote: | | Granted, the dog cone is a bit over the top, but apparently it was being used in a spirit of fun and was not being used systematically (it just happened to be there). I imagine that if the student had refused to put it on, that would have been the end of it, or the teacher would have done whatever she normally does (such as send the student to the principal's office). |
Yes. I don't think I would classify this particular event as abuse. But if it was used as a real means of discipline, then I would definitely call it abuse.
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BK is allegedly a manager. You can imagine how he treats his subordinates.
http://youtu.be/JI3Y1auTFpU <-- Visual aid.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | Obviously it is child abuse. Would you use this device to discipline your grandparents? |
Sure! |
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Awesome teacher fired for excellent idea (Cone of Shame) |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | Nope, just regular child abuse. |
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no, it really is. A funny hat is one thing, such a device usually used on animals is abuse. |
No it isn't and on the plus side, it would stop any student it's used on licking his/her stitches
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:lol:
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