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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:21 am Post subject: PC British Culture, BBC, enable & censor racist sexual a |
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| Quote: | Nine white men are found guilty of grooming young Asian girls, aged between 13 and 15, whom they picked up on the streets of London. The girls were lured with free fish and chips before being raped or pimped as prostitutes. One Asian girl from a children’s home was used for sex by 20 white men in one night. Police insist the crimes were not “racially motivated”.
Imagine if that story were true. Would you really believe that race was not a factor in those hateful crimes? Do you think that, despite conclusive DNA evidence from a girl raped by two men, the police would have hesitated to press charges because the suspects were white and it could make things a bit sensitive in the white community? Would the Crown Prosecution Service have refused to prosecute, allowing the child-sex ring to flourish for three more anguished years?
OK, now let’s try switching the ethnic identities round. ... more |
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: Re: PC British Culture, BBC, enable & censor racist sexu |
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| Quote: | | lured with free fish and chips |
| Quote: | | Change the fish and chips to kebabs |
Not funny, but this part is hilarious.
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It's not racism if you victimise white folks, duh!
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| sugar wrote: | | What's the authors actual problem? She's a bit all over the place. |
She's pissed off that the system is treating a paedophile ring with kid gloves because of their religion, the same one which treats underage white girls as whores to be used as sex slaves and discarded because they're not of their religion. Technically it's more sectarianism, but there is an element of race there.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | What's the authors actual problem? She's a bit all over the place. |
She's pissed off that the system is treating a paedophile ring with kid gloves because of their religion, the same one which treats underage white girls as whores to be used as sex slaves and discarded because they're not of their religion. |
when you say 'treating them with kid gloves', what do you mean?
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| sugar wrote: | | when you say 'treating them with kid gloves', what do you mean? |
This: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/treat+with+kid+gloves
In other words, not bringing the full weight of the law to bear.
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| sugar wrote: | | how can you say that when they haven't even been sentenced yet? |
The police claimed the asian gang rapes of white children was not "racially motivated", meaning they weren't charged under hate crime legislation (which give far greater magnitude to sentencing). Meaning they were handled with kid gloves.
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If a white pedophile ring would keep only asian underage whores you would call that a racially motivated hate crime?
And then it would give a more severe sentence than all the full package of crimes that eventually enables them to systematically rape a large number of underage girls and profit from it financially? |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | how can you say that when they haven't even been sentenced yet? |
The police claimed the asian gang rapes of white children was not "racially motivated", meaning they weren't charged under hate crime legislation (which give far greater magnitude to sentencing). Meaning they were handled with kid gloves. |
it's obviously not racially motivated. They didn't commit these crimes because they're racist, they committed them because they're child molesters.
In any case, why didn't they charge the far right protesters who vandalised the takeaway that was at the centre of the child molestation ring with hate crimes, especially since it was under new management.
| Quote: | What followed was a violent and verbal attack which police said was "misjudged and against innocent members of the community".
Windows were smashed even though the business was, by then, under new management, who have renamed the takeaway.
But new owner, Mushtaq Ahmed, said people were outside "knocking on the windows shouting abusive words - 'we want rapists out, we want this out, we want that out.'
"They were calling us various names as well," he said. "Most of them knew that we had nothing to do with it." |
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| sugar wrote: | | it's obviously not racially motivated. They didn't commit these crimes because they're racist, they committed them because they're child molesters. |
If they were merely child molesters, then they wouldn't be singling out white children.
| sugar wrote: | | In any case, why didn't they charge the far right protesters who vandalised the takeaway that was at the centre of the child molestation ring with hate crimes, especially since it was under new management. |
The centre is going to draw public anger regardless of the management. Even if the management was whiter than white it'd still be vandalised. People don't take kindly to child abusers, much less child rapists.
| Quote: | | But new owner, Mushtaq Ahmed, said people were outside "knocking on the windows shouting abusive words - 'we want rapists out, we want this out, we want that out.' |
See. That's not racist. Unless rape has become a race.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | it's obviously not racially motivated. They didn't commit these crimes because they're racist, they committed them because they're child molesters. |
If they were merely child molesters, then they wouldn't be singling out white children. |
what? The victims of a child molester need to be multi cultural for the molester not be branded a racist?
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| sugar wrote: | | what? The victims of a child molester need to be multi cultural for the molester not be branded a racist? |
Victims of child molesters tend to be close to child molesters. If you go out of your way to lure victims outside your own culture, then you're specifically targeting on race.
This was pretty clearly explained in the hypothetical mirrored situation argument made by the journalist in the very first paragraph:
| Quote: | Nine white men are found guilty of grooming young Asian girls, aged between 13 and 15, whom they picked up on the streets of London. The girls were lured with free fish and chips before being raped or pimped as prostitutes. One Asian girl from a children’s home was used for sex by 20 white men in one night. Police insist the crimes were not “racially motivated”.
Imagine if that story were true. Would you really believe that race was not a factor in those hateful crimes? |
I'm not sure how this is escaping your grasp.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | what? The victims of a child molester need to be multi cultural for the molester not be branded a racist? |
Victims of child molesters tend to be close to child molesters. If you go out of your way to lure victims outside your own culture, then you're specifically targeting on race.
This was pretty clearly explained in the hypothetical mirrored situation argument made by the journalist in the very first paragraph:
| Quote: | Nine white men are found guilty of grooming young Asian girls, aged between 13 and 15, whom they picked up on the streets of London. The girls were lured with free fish and chips before being raped or pimped as prostitutes. One Asian girl from a children’s home was used for sex by 20 white men in one night. Police insist the crimes were not “racially motivated”.
Imagine if that story were true. Would you really believe that race was not a factor in those hateful crimes? |
I'm not sure how this is escaping your grasp. |
there's a difference between
| Quote: | | I hate white people, so therefore I'm going to rape these white children |
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| Quote: | | I'm a child molester, and I'm going to rape these white children |
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| sugar wrote: | there's a difference between
| Quote: | | I hate white people, so therefore I'm going to rape these white children |
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Because the reality is: | Quote: | | I'm a child molester, and since these white godless sluts are sluts anyway, I'm totally justified in raping them and otherwise treating them as my property |
Being a child molester doesn't make you mutually exclusive from racists.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | It's not racism if you victimise white folks, duh! |
there seem to be two issues here if the term "race" is to apply. were the girls chosen because they were white? and are the perpetrators doing this because of a defect of their cultural background, whereby women are seen as lesser than men. it is hard to tell from the article because it seems to be an overview of quite a bit of material, but sadly the answer sounds like yes in both cases, and the victims were ignored.
Sad case. |
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| juniper wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | It's not racism if you victimise white folks, duh! |
there seem to be two issues here if the term "race" is to apply. were the girls chosen because they were white? and are the perpetrators doing this because of a defect of their cultural background, whereby women are seen as lesser than men. it is hard to tell from the article because it seems to be an overview of quite a bit of material, but sadly the answer sounds like yes in both cases, and the victims were ignored.
Sad case. |
Also, the reason the crime was ignored for so long and kept quiet by the media is a form of racism too, although we'd rather think of it as being Political Correct.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | there's a difference between
| Quote: | | I hate white people, so therefore I'm going to rape these white children |
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Because the reality is: | Quote: | | I'm a child molester, and since these white godless sluts are sluts anyway, I'm totally justified in raping them and otherwise treating them as my property |
Being a child molester doesn't make you mutually exclusive from racists. |
Right. From a legislative perspective, being a racist second and a child molester first means that it's not a hate crime.
It seems like it's better to be tried as a sexual offence. If they can get the charges of organised prostitution to stick, these guys could face a maximum of 14 years in jail (page 121). The 3 muslim men who committed a genuine hate crime and were sentanced in Feb got 2 years or less. Seems like a hate crime is probably a lessor charge.
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| sugar wrote: | Right. From a legislative perspective, being a racist second and a child molester first means that it's not a hate crime.
It seems like it's better to be tried as a sexual offence. If they can get the charges of organised prostitution to stick, these guys could face a maximum of 14 years in jail (page 121). The 3 muslim men who committed a genuine hate crime and were sentanced in Feb got 2 years or less. Seems like a hate crime is probably a lessor charge. |
It doesn't matter if it's a 'lessor charge', they should be charged with it all the same. If I rob a bank and shoot someone, I don't get off with the bank robbery just because I'm up for murder. You're just getting silly now.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | It's not racism if you victimise white folks, duh! |
there seem to be two issues here if the term "race" is to apply. were the girls chosen because they were white? and are the perpetrators doing this because of a defect of their cultural background, whereby women are seen as lesser than men. it is hard to tell from the article because it seems to be an overview of quite a bit of material, but sadly the answer sounds like yes in both cases, and the victims were ignored.
Sad case. |
Also, the reason the crime was ignored for so long and kept quiet by the media is a form of racism too, known as "Political Correctness" |
Thank god the fox news of the UK media landscape exists to break this story.
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| sugar wrote: | | Thank god the fox news of the UK media landscape exists to break this story. |
Apparently you are attempting sarcasm, but I think it fails.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | there's a difference between
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Because the reality is: | Quote: | | I'm a child molester, and since these white godless sluts are sluts anyway, I'm totally justified in raping them and otherwise treating them as my property |
Being a child molester doesn't make you mutually exclusive from racists. |
sugar has a point. I think race is a distraction in this case. it seems this is primarily a sex crime, and second a race crime. No white boys were beaten, no white shops were trashed. The most tragic thing is that is that young girls were sexually assaulted. I think it would be a disservice to the victims to cast this as a race crime.
The other point is that making hate crime charges stick is difficult, which may explain why that wasn't pursued. |
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| juniper wrote: | | I think race is a distraction in this case. |
It hasn't been a distraction at all, it has been completely and utterly ignored at every level.
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how can you say that when they haven't even been sentenced yet? |
This thread was made on the 10th May. These 9 men were sentance and jailed yesterday 9th may... your point is moot.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17993003
What aidanjt is trying to stress is that from a legal point of view the police and the judges "shyed" away from tagging this as racially motivated.
They were charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with girls under the age of 16 and not conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with girls under the age of 16 and racial discrimination (it might be because to prove underage sex/rape is easier than a thoughtcrime - better to secure a slamdunk conviction than risk a perceived hard to prove crime, even if it lengthens the sentance).
The judge added: "One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.
"Some of you, when arrested, said it (the prosecution) was triggered by race. That is nonsense.
| Quote: | | "What triggered this prosecution was your lust and greed." |
doesn't help that that muppet of a Labour lord (the one who went a mentioned a bounty on bush's head in response to a bounty on a warlords head...) keeps piping up about this not being a race issue.
This clearly is, epecially since pakistani/alfgan views on white woman (see the sweden thread) are they are worthless meat BUT to prove n a court of law is different.
luckly some pakistani community leads has voiced up that something does need to be done about the muslim communities views of non-muslims
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