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marens Apprentice


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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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CYA? _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
In Loving Memory
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Prenj n00b


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| This looks awesome |
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djdunn l33t


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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im a big user of android so... you know...
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i don't really know what to say, im not a fan of java, i dont think this will ever be mainstream tho, i dont really see google picking this up really, they are far too invested with java in android _________________ Now, with penguins, (cuddly such), "contented" means it has either just gotten laid, or it's stuffed on herring. Take it from me, I'm an expert on penguins, those are really the only two options.
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Dr.Willy Apprentice

Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 296 Location: NRW, Germany
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Reality check: Google wanted Java. They even went as far as writing their own fucking VM for it.
If they wanted C#/Mono they would've supported it's development. Or bought Novell. Or developed their own VM for it.
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aidanjt Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1101 Location: Rep. of Ireland
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr.Willy wrote: | Reality check: Google wanted Java. They even went as far as writing their own fucking VM for it.
If they wanted C#/Mono they would've supported it's development. Or bought Novell. Or developed their own VM for it.
They didn't. |
The Xamarin gang have no interest in reality. Just infesting OSS with their useless junk. _________________
| juniper wrote: | | you experience political reality dilation when travelling at american political speeds. it's in einstein's formulas. it's not their fault. |
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John R. Graham Administrator


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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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WTF? No. More like, meh.
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jdhore Developer

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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I read this yesterday and basically went: "Holy hell! Look at that performance chart! WANT! GIVE ME NOW!"
Now that the excitement from seeing a performance difference that big has worn off, I had 2 realizations.
1. I'm fairly sure that at some point someone will show that the Java benchmarks are bad code and written CORRECTLY, Java performs much better than it shows currently. It's currently Java written by C# developers...If it was written by someone with a ton more experience in Java...Yeah.
2. How do we know they didn't choose benchmarks that Mono/C# is particularly good at and Java is not so good at especially considering that only 3 algorithms were benchmarked? |
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pjp Administrator


Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 16033 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr.Willy wrote: | Reality check: Google wanted Java. They even went as far as writing their own fucking VM for it.
If they wanted C#/Mono they would've supported it's development. Or bought Novell. Or developed their own VM for it.
They didn't. | Isn't that what the case vs. Oracle is all about? Whether or not they did develop a "clean room" version and whether or not that is sufficient? Seems unlikely to be an issue now, but we'll see. The likely cost of any loss in the suit is probably too small to induce that major a change. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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wswartzendruber Veteran


Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 1205 Location: Jefferson, USA
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| So did they build a IL to Dalvik assembler? |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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IL?
From the coverage I've read on the case, the Google exec (Page?) claimed they developed a clean room implementation of Java because they couldn't come to agreeable terms with Sun. So if they have Davlik, and a clean room Java, they've bypassed the official language. And since they aren't claiming (that I've seen) it to be compatible with Java, it seems they should be in the clear.
They ought to call it Guava, using the G in the font of Google. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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wswartzendruber Veteran


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| IL is Intermediate Language. It's .NET's bytecode format. |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Ah, don't recall seeing that acronym.
As Dalvik is the equivalent of the JVM, it does use bytecode.
| Quote: | | Programs are commonly written in Java and compiled to bytecode. They are then converted from Java Virtual Machine-compatible .class files to Dalvik-compatible .dex (Dalvik Executable) files before installation on a device. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_%28software%29 _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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wswartzendruber Veteran


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| I would kill to be able to write Android apps in C#. |
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Dr.Willy Apprentice

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | So did they build a IL to Dalvik assembler? |
No, they ported Mono to Android. |
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wswartzendruber Veteran


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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| It looks like they're using LLVM for this. If so, that could explain something. |
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jdhore Developer

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | It looks like they're using LLVM for this. If so, that could explain something. |
Unlikely. If they were testing it against Android 4.0 for sure (and possibly Android 3.x, but no one knows about 3.x since it's closed-source), Android now uses LLVM as well so... |
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