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 Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: More Obama fundraisers than last 5 Presidents COMBINED |
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A new book reveals that Obama, who has been criticized for being on a permanent campaign since his election (at taxpayer expense) and never really being focused on his job, has held more fund-raising events than the previous five Presidents combined, and he just announced the official start of his campaign.
He out-spent McCain two-to-one in the last election. Yet, it is his campaign who constantly harps about "special interest money" influencing politicians (and which he in fact pledged to put a stop to). He's biggest political whore that has ever existed on the planet. The special interests he does not owe favors to would be the exceptions. 
No wonder so many promises got broken, and so many "common man" causes went right under the bus. This year, he has set an incredibly unprecedented goal of soliciting a full Billion dollars in campaign contributions. And we're supposed to believe, "No, really. This time I am really bringing teh hope and change!" 
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| Quote: | Barack Obama has already held more re-election fundraising events than every elected president since Richard Nixon combined, according to figures to be published in a new book.
Obama is also the only president in the past 35 years to visit every electoral battleground state in his first year of office.
The figures, contained a in a new book called The Rise of the President’s Permanent Campaign by Brendan J. Doherty, due to be published by University Press of Kansas in July, give statistical backing to the notion that Obama is more preoccupied with being re-elected than any other commander-in-chief of modern times.
Doherty, who has compiled statistics about presidential travel and fundraising going back to President Jimmy Carter in 1977, found that Obama had held 104 fundraisers by March 6th this year, compared to 94 held by Presidents Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush Snr, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush combined.
Since then, Obama has held another 20 fundraisers, bringing his total to 124. Carter held four re-election fundraisers in the 1980 campaign, Reagan zero in 1984, Bush Snr 19 in 1992, Clinton 14 in 1996 and Bush Jnr 57 in 2004.
Doherty, a political science professor at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, has also analysed presidential travel to battleground or swing states, which change and fluctuate in number with each election cycle.
In their first years in office, Carter visited eight out of 18 battleground states and Reagan seven out of 17. Bush Snr, Clinton and Bush Jnr all visited around three-quarters of battleground states while Obama went to all 15 within his first 12 months. |
| Quote: | Vowing in 2008 to ‘launch the most sweeping ethics reform in US history’ Obama said that if elected he would ‘make government more open, more accountable and more responsive to the problems of the American people’.
In his State of the Union speech in January, Obama bemoaned the ‘corrosive influence of money in politics’. The following month, he reversed course and announced he was allowing cabinet members and top advisors to speak at big money events for so-called super PACs – unaccountable outside groups raising money for his re-election.
During the 2008 election, Obama abandoned a pledge to opt for public funding of his campaign, instead opting to raise an unlimited amount privately. He then raised and spent approximately $730million, almost double the campaign funds of Senator John McCain, his Republican opponent. |
| Quote: | | Kirsten Kukowski, an RNC spokesperson, said: 'It’s no surprise that the Campaigner-In-Chief has taken raising money for his re-election to a whole new level. The worst part is the American taxpayer has been footing the bill.' The Obama campaign did not respond to a request for comment. |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136851/Obama-held-fundraisers-previous-Presidents-combined-visits-key-swing-states-permanent-campaign.html
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He is one hell of a campaigner. Sucks at President, yet is one hell of a campaigner.
I liked how he told the Occupy folks how he was in solidarity with them, and that very night attended a ten thousand dollar a plate dinner, hosted by Wall Street CEO's.
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| Old School wrote: | | He is one hell of a campaigner. Sucks at President, yet is one hell of a campaigner. |
Indeed. I personally have a great distrust of those types... Bill Clinton, Obama... who just say what an audience wants to hear.
| Old School wrote: | | I liked how he told the Occupy folks how he was in solidarity with them, and that very night attended a ten thousand dollar a plate dinner, hosted by Wall Street CEO's. |
Irony is completely lost on the sheeple who buy into his lies though.
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I was watching The Ed Show on MSNBC the other night. Ed was ragging on Romney, and they have a scroll bar across the bottom showing all the lemmings who are tweeting in, and several of them were to the effect of, "ZOMG that Romney will say anything to get elected; Republicans are always like that! #liars #romney". 
The degree of populism and delusion is just mind-boggling.
If you tuned into Beck and listened to the people phoning in, you'd draw similar conclusions about conservatives and libertarians, but there is a steady stream of this shit flowing across the bottom of the screen, and it's scary. It very much reminds me of Idiocracy.
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| It's a symptom of a corrupt system. Dems or Reps, it's all the same guys. |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I was watching The Ed Show on MSNBC the other night. |
I'm sorry.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | He is one hell of a campaigner. Sucks at President, yet is one hell of a campaigner. |
Indeed. I personally have a great distrust of those types... Bill Clinton, Obama... who just say what an audience wants to hear.
| Old School wrote: | | I liked how he told the Occupy folks how he was in solidarity with them, and that very night attended a ten thousand dollar a plate dinner, hosted by Wall Street CEO's. |
Irony is completely lost on the sheeple who buy into his lies though. |
don't forget the bushes.
a spade is a spade. obama and the dems are NOT leftists. I have been saying that years. |
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| prenj wrote: | | It's a symptom of a corrupt system. Dems or Reps, it's all the same guys. |
But it's only bad if Obama does it. 
But seriously, without the actual figures, (How much from big corps compared with the thousands of small donors) saying how much he outspent others doesn't have much meaning. I'm not saying he hasn't got more from big corps than others, but you need a full breakdown to take a proper view on the issue.
And no politician can force someone to donate money, but getting more money from big corps could indicate that they want political favors. As long as you know specifically who the big donors are, you can go and look if they actually got any political favors. It can't be that hard to figure out. |
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| juniper wrote: | | a spade is a spade. obama and the dems are NOT leftists. I have been saying that years. |
Sure he is, and so are about a third of Democrats. His primary objectives have all be redistributionist at all costs (excepting the one thing he sees as paramount: his own political success). It's just that, in order to achieve the means (getting and staying elected) he has sold out to so many special interests that he has ended up offsetting every socialist change he has attempted with even more corporatist prostituting of power. He has also descended well into authoritarianism and populist demagoguery, which makes him more like Robespierre, Trotsky, or Chavez and less like Bakunin, Marx or Cabet.
I will agree that many American Democrats and Liberals are not leftists. There was a time when their dominant concern was social libertarianism. At this time, however, their party politics are dominated by socialist reform (economic authoritarianism) and, unfortunately, destructive populist and socially authoritarian means of attaining it.
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | prenj wrote: | | It's a symptom of a corrupt system. Dems or Reps, it's all the same guys. |
But it's only bad if Obama does it.
But seriously, without the actual figures, (How much from big corps compared with the thousands of small donors) saying how much he outspent others doesn't have much meaning. I'm not saying he hasn't got more from big corps than others, but you need a full breakdown to take a proper view on the issue.
And no politician can force someone to donate money, but getting more money from big corps could indicate that they want political favors. As long as you know specifically who the big donors are, you can go and look if they actually got any political favors. It can't be that hard to figure out. |
It is that hard to figure out, because it's too easy to launder money into the political coffers. These "bundlers", for example (such as the newly appointed Ambassador to the Netherlands, or the guy who owns half of Solyndra), get their money from who knows where. It's too easy; you make a hundred thousand dollar donation to somebody's foundation (which saves them a hundred thousand dollars they don't have to give to it) in exchange for a seventy-five thousand dollar contribution to your "elect so-and-so" fund. It's plausible deniability. No court can touch you. It becomes untraceable. Then you've also got the essentially anonymous web-based donations, which are intentionally designed to not really verify identity and to avoid keeping credit card numbers. Nobody can really tell where any of that money really comes from.
Democrats would have us believe only the Republicans do this, and blame it on "corporations are people too", while the truth is that they do twice as much of it (which is why the Obama Administration has acted like such a whore and kowtowed so much to Wall Street, Hollywood, the Record Industry, the Pharmaceutical Industry, etc., etc.). This time around, he's been collecting money for four straight years and is attempting to be in people's pockets to the tune of a Billion dollars!
But, even if the Democrats do twice as much of it, it's only bad if the Republicans do it, right? That was the original point.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: More Obama fundraisers than last 5 Presidents COMBINED |
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| Quote: | | Obama is also the only president in the past 35 years to visit every electoral battleground state in his first year of office. |
That would be Carter? The parallels keep piling up.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | a spade is a spade. obama and the dems are NOT leftists. I have been saying that years. |
Sure he is, and so are about a third of Democrats. His primary objectives have all be redistributionist at all costs (excepting the one thing he sees as paramount: his own political success). It's just that, in order to achieve the means (getting and staying elected) he has sold out to so many special interests that he has ended up offsetting every socialist change he has attempted with even more corporatist prostituting of power. He has also descended well into authoritarianism and populist demagoguery, which makes him more like Robespierre, Trotsky, or Chavez and less like Bakunin, Marx or Cabet.
I will agree that many American Democrats and Liberals are not leftists. There was a time when their dominant concern was social libertarianism. At this time, however, their party politics are dominated by socialist reform (economic authoritarianism) and, unfortunately, destructive populist and socially authoritarian means of attaining it. |
i was agreeing with old school. his buds occupied wall street years ago. the trouble is, the left has no one to turn to. so obama can shit down their throats and still get their votes. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: More Obama fundraisers than last 5 Presidents COMBINED |
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| pigeon768 wrote: | | Quote: | | Obama is also the only president in the past 35 years to visit every electoral battleground state in his first year of office. |
That would be Carter? The parallels keep piling up. |
Romney was asked by a reporter about Obama's ad which questioning whether Romney would have approved the taking out of bin Laden, and he said, laughing, "Even Jimmy Carter would have approved that order."
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| BoneKracker wrote: | It's plausible deniability. No court can touch you. It becomes untraceable. Then you've also got the essentially anonymous web-based donations, which are intentionally designed to not really verify identity and to avoid keeping credit card numbers. Nobody can really tell where any of that money really comes from.
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Democrats would have us believe only the Republicans do this, and blame it on "corporations are people too", while the truth is that they do twice as much of it |
In one sentence you say it's impossible to know how much is done. In the other you say that the truth is that Democrats do twice as much. Does not compute. Not that you're wrong, but it's a better idea to have specific data. Sites like http://www.opensecrets.org/ fulfill that purpose to an extent. |
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | It's plausible deniability. No court can touch you. It becomes untraceable. Then you've also got the essentially anonymous web-based donations, which are intentionally designed to not really verify identity and to avoid keeping credit card numbers. Nobody can really tell where any of that money really comes from.
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Democrats would have us believe only the Republicans do this, and blame it on "corporations are people too", while the truth is that they do twice as much of it |
In one sentence you say it's impossible to know how much is done. In the other you say that the truth is that Democrats do twice as much. Does not compute. Not that you're wrong, but it's a better idea to have specific data. Sites like http://www.opensecrets.org/ fulfill that purpose to an extent. |
You do realize that opensecrets won't track individual, small web based donations? So you've put up as evidence something which contains no evidence to counter BK's point.
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Oblabla is probably just working harder than the other guy. Maybe the lazy bastards of Republithards (note the traditional -th-) should outsource their fund raising campaigns to China, if they haven't done so, yet.  |
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| Muso wrote: | | pitcrawler wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | It's plausible deniability. No court can touch you. It becomes untraceable. Then you've also got the essentially anonymous web-based donations, which are intentionally designed to not really verify identity and to avoid keeping credit card numbers. Nobody can really tell where any of that money really comes from.
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Democrats would have us believe only the Republicans do this, and blame it on "corporations are people too", while the truth is that they do twice as much of it |
In one sentence you say it's impossible to know how much is done. In the other you say that the truth is that Democrats do twice as much. Does not compute. Not that you're wrong, but it's a better idea to have specific data. Sites like http://www.opensecrets.org/ fulfill that purpose to an extent. |
You do realize that opensecrets won't track individual, small web based donations? So you've put up as evidence something which contains no evidence to counter BK's point. |
Posting that was meant just to show a source of some data, which is why I said "to an extent" I also said "Not that you're wrong" meaning I wasn't trying to disprove him. However, BK made the claim even though he himself said it's not possible to prove that claim. If someone makes a claim that can't be proven, there's no such thing as countering it. |
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | pitcrawler wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | It's plausible deniability. No court can touch you. It becomes untraceable. Then you've also got the essentially anonymous web-based donations, which are intentionally designed to not really verify identity and to avoid keeping credit card numbers. Nobody can really tell where any of that money really comes from.
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Democrats would have us believe only the Republicans do this, and blame it on "corporations are people too", while the truth is that they do twice as much of it |
In one sentence you say it's impossible to know how much is done. In the other you say that the truth is that Democrats do twice as much. Does not compute. Not that you're wrong, but it's a better idea to have specific data. Sites like http://www.opensecrets.org/ fulfill that purpose to an extent. |
You do realize that opensecrets won't track individual, small web based donations? So you've put up as evidence something which contains no evidence to counter BK's point. |
Posting that was meant just to show a source of some data, which is why I said "to an extent" I also said "Not that you're wrong" meaning I wasn't trying to disprove him. However, BK made the claim even though he himself said it's not possible to prove that claim. If someone makes a claim that can't be proven, there's no such thing as countering it. |
Touché
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The proof is in the pudding. Look at the degree to which Obama has turned out to be the opposite of what he pretended to be, and the degree to which he has catered to the monied special interests such as Wall Street, RIAA, MPAA, and other people who gave him money. Where there is smoke there is fire. When you start seeing rats in the open, you know the ship is infested.
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