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 Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:52 pm Post subject: Mittens would never have caught Osama |
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| Quote: | Yep, You Heard it Here First .. and More Proof Romney Would Not Have Killed Osama bin Laden
As previously indicated, Romney would not have found, nor captured, nor killed Osama bin Laden for the following reasons:
1. Romney has zero foreign policy experience. He has never had a novel, creative or independent thought about foreign or military affairs.
2. Romney followed the Bush line of not caring so much about finding him. By contrast, President Obama issued a directive in the first few days of his presidency to focus on finding bin Laden. Romney would never have issued such an order.
3. Romney is surrounded by Bush advisers. Bush had the opportunity to capture bin Laden at Tora Bora by sending 800 Army rangers as requested by operatives on the ground. He declined.
4. Romney spouts the neoconista line about "listening to the generals on the ground" to determine U.S. policy. The generals recommended against the SEALs' mission.
We know now a fifth reason Romney could never have ordered the raid to capture bin Laden.
He has never taken a risky move in his life. Never.
When provided the extraordinary opportunity of investing millions of other peoples' money into new ventures, Romney refused... unless, that is, he would get bailed out if he failed, and that there would be a cover story indicating he had not failed, but that his services were needed in another part of the organization. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/yep-you-heard-it-here-1st_b_1461670.html
Title edited for compliance with the "Schwarzenegger's mother" clause of the OTW Posting Guidelines. — JRG
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Obama was supposedly opposed to the war in the first place, so he would have to regret his unavoidable and hypocritical involvement. I suppose that too suddenly irrelevant.
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FLASHBACK: Obama Campaign Accused Clinton Of Using Bin Laden To ‘Score Political Points’ In 2008
| Quote: | The Obama campaign opened up a new line of attack on Mitt Romney Friday, suggesting that as commander-in-chief Romney might not have made the same decision to order an attack by U.S. forces to kill terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden that President Obama did.
In a new web video titled “One Chance,” the Obama team features former President Bill Clinton praising Obama for deciding to launch the strike last year. “Why path would Mitt Romney have taken?” the clip asks.
But four years ago this April, the Obama campaign criticized Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for using Osama bin Laden in a political ad.
On the eve of the 2008 Pennsylvania primary, Clinton’s campaign released a television commercial featuring an image of bin Laden and invoking President Harry S. Truman’s quote: “If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.”
The ad never mentioned Obama by name, but it was part of the Clinton campaign’s effort to brand the Illinois Senator as inexperienced, especially in the foreign policy arena.
“Who do you think has what it takes?” the ad’s narrator says as an image of Clinton flashes on the screen. (The ad showed a brief clip of bin Laden as well as images of Pearl Harbor, the 1920′s stock market crash, Fidel Castro, the fall of the Berlin Wall). “You need to be ready for anything, especially now.”
The Obama campaign spokesman, Bill Burton, accused the Clinton team of playing “the politics of fear” just like George W. Bush. |
If it weren't for double standards Obama would have no standards at all.
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| Muso wrote: | FLASHBACK: Obama Campaign Accused Clinton Of Using Bin Laden To ‘Score Political Points’ In 2008
| Quote: | The Obama campaign opened up a new line of attack on Mitt Romney Friday, suggesting that as commander-in-chief Romney might not have made the same decision to order an attack by U.S. forces to kill terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden that President Obama did.
In a new web video titled “One Chance,” the Obama team features former President Bill Clinton praising Obama for deciding to launch the strike last year. “Why path would Mitt Romney have taken?” the clip asks.
But four years ago this April, the Obama campaign criticized Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for using Osama bin Laden in a political ad.
On the eve of the 2008 Pennsylvania primary, Clinton’s campaign released a television commercial featuring an image of bin Laden and invoking President Harry S. Truman’s quote: “If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.”
The ad never mentioned Obama by name, but it was part of the Clinton campaign’s effort to brand the Illinois Senator as inexperienced, especially in the foreign policy arena.
“Who do you think has what it takes?” the ad’s narrator says as an image of Clinton flashes on the screen. (The ad showed a brief clip of bin Laden as well as images of Pearl Harbor, the 1920′s stock market crash, Fidel Castro, the fall of the Berlin Wall). “You need to be ready for anything, especially now.”
The Obama campaign spokesman, Bill Burton, accused the Clinton team of playing “the politics of fear” just like George W. Bush. |
If it weren't for double standards Obama would have no standards at all. |
Hillary 2016!
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| Quote: | | 2. Romney followed the Bush line of not caring so much about finding him. By contrast, President Obama issued a directive in the first few days of his presidency to focus on finding bin Laden. Romney would never have issued such an order. |
False. Bin Laden was eliminated specifically by an organization created by Ronald Reagan (JSOC), following orders issued by Bush, using intelligence collected only because of extreme measures authorized by Bush (and condemned by Obama), in an operation carried out by men selected for their jobs and trained by Stanley McChrystal (whom Obama fired for saying bad things about him).
| Quote: | | 2. Romney followed the Bush line of not caring so much about finding him. By contrast, President Obama issued a directive in the first few days of his presidency to focus on finding bin Laden. Romney would never have issued such an order. |
Obama didn't do shit. All he did was take periodic briefings. The CIA was already hard at work on this, and the intelligence that bore fruit was in fact collected under Bush, and never would have been collected under Obama, because he would have simply had those high value detainees killed by drones, to save his political ass from being ragged on for detaining them.
| Quote: | | 3. Romney is surrounded by Bush advisers. Bush had the opportunity to capture bin Laden at Tora Bora by sending 800 Army rangers as requested by operatives on the ground. He declined. |
... probably saving hundreds of American lives. We knew at the time there was a large force dug into deep defensive positions there. What we have found out since then from the Taliban is that it numbered 3,500 and they wanted us to attack. It was a trap. Sending in a single Ranger Battalion would have been a military disaster. We could have surrounded the position with a brigade of the 82d Airborne, and then reinforced that to a full Division, and then starved them out, but getting a full brigade their would not have been possible in the time available.
Only people who know nothing about military matters can blurt such stupid shit out.
| Quote: | | 4. Romney spouts the neoconista line about "listening to the generals on the ground" to determine U.S. policy. The generals recommended against the SEALs' mission. |
False. The concept of the operation was developed by Vice Admiral McRaven and his subordinates. The only people who recommended against it were Secretaries Gates and Clinton (Gates because he didn't want to be on record to be the fall guy to save Obama's ass if it went wrong, and Clinton because she didn't want to deal with the diplomatic headache of having "invaded" Pakistan). By the way, they are civilians, not Generals. The Generals are the people wearing uniforms.
Moreover, what has killing bin Laden actually accomplished?
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| Muso wrote: | | If it weren't for double standards Obama would have no standards at all. |
Hey, that's not double standards, that's just sensibly changing your mind once you learn new information!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how come Obama is so popular in New Zealand? |
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| Prenj wrote: | | I wonder how come Obama is so popular in New Zealand? |
New Zealand also has no standards 
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| Prenj wrote: | | I wonder how come Obama is so popular in New Zealand? |
I don't represent the opinions of all New Zealanders.
However, since I'm the only person in Morrinsville to have a computer connected to the internet, then I guess I DO represent the opinions of the people of Morrinsville.
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| sugar wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | | I wonder how come Obama is so popular in New Zealand? |
I don't represent the opinions of all New Zealanders.
However, since I'm the only person in Morrinsville to have a computer connected to the internet, then I guess I DO represent the opinions of the people of Morrinsville. |
Ok so in other words, you never worked in US? Never tried to raise a family in US? Tried to find a job in an outsourced industry? If you manage to do all that then you pay taxes, and try to buy a house?
So how would you know if Romney is good or Obama, I mean what kind of perspective do you have that doesn't fall back to listening to a lot of 60's music and surfing internet, and living in la-la land? There are lots of people that got duped by Obama 2008, but most of them sobered up by now. |
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| sugar wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | | So how would you know if Romney is good or Obama, I mean what kind of perspective do you have |
an  objective one, obviously. |
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None of the crap you post here is objective 
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| sugar wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | | So how would you know if Romney is good or Obama, I mean what kind of perspective do you have |
an objective one, obviously. |
You have 0 perspective since all you see is media spin. You just chose one cos it fits your self-image and lifestyle, because they managed to sell the product, "young rebellious and liberal, vote for dems". It's a product, and you are buying it. No different then iPhone. |
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| The Rcunts aren't even able to tie their own shoelaces, much less to catch Goldstein. |
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I agree. Axelrod and the Ministry of Truth are running populist mind-trick circles around them.
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