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BoneKracker
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 Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: Study: U.S. Youth #1 in Booze, Pot, Obesity and Death |
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| Quote: | NEW YORK, April 27 (UPI) -- U.S. teens smoke the most marijuana in the world, have the highest mortality in the world and have high binge drinking rates, a worldwide study found.
A study published in The Lancet examined challenges and problems faced by 1.8 billion young people in the world -- including 40 countries overall and 27 nations described as wealthy.
U.S. adolescents die a violent death -- due to guns or vehicle fatality -- as much as 20 times more than teens in any other wealthy developed nation, the New York Daily News reported.
Following the United States in violent deaths were New Zealand and Portugal. Singapore, the Netherlands and Japan had the lowest rates of violent teen deaths.
The study found Canada, Spain and France followed U.S. youth in smoking the most marijuana. The developed countries that led the world in binge drinking were Austria, Ireland and the United States.
Among all the countries studied, the Pacific island of Tonga had the highest rate of obesity for those ages 13-15, but the United States led the wealthy nations with most obese teens, followed by Canada, Greece, Italy and Malta.
Despite the high U.S. teen obesity rate, U.S. teens exercise as much, or more, than young people in any other country in the study -- especially boys. |
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2012/04/27/US-teens-lead-in-deaths-pot-and-obesity/UPI-43671335506183/
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:27 am Post subject: |
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USA!!! #1 Again!!!
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This country has a bright future. We need to be fucking invaded or something, to snap people out of it.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | This country has a bright future. We need to be fucking invaded or something, to snap people out of it. |
The impending implosion of the welfare state coupled with the reimplementation of Darwinism will sort out the wheat from the chaff.
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Yeah, maybe after 50 years of the chaff throwing the wheat into prison for being "domestic enemies", and then we'll be where Eastern Europe is now!
#winning
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Propaganda, but hey TV is propaganda too...  |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Game of thrones in on in 1 minute... I'll watch this later 
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| Muso wrote: |
Game of thrones in on in 1 minute... I'll watch this later |
Watch 0:30:45 to 0:32:40 as a teaser |
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There is an element of truth to this stuff, but it is being ZOMG exaggerated and used to create a sense of helplessness, rendering the masses more easily manipulated by populist demagoguery, particularly by the left (the obvious and much-touted counter-example of Fox News notwithstanding). This is why we have so much divisive outrage and so little rational discourse.
It's classic leftist agitation, catalyzed by the herd dynamics of social media.
I learned recently that my 16-year-old niece, a product of Northern Virginia public schools and an upper-middle-class upbringing, believes that it is axiomatically correct that socialism is good and capitalism is bad. And she's the most non-rebellious, non-confrontational person I know. This is simply what has been pumped into her head.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course, the parents can take no blame. Kids raise themselves these days, and the kids of today voted for all of the government policies of a few years/decades ago. [/sarcasm] |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I learned recently that my 16-year-old niece, a product of Northern Virginia public schools and an upper-middle-class upbringing, believes that it is axiomatically correct that socialism is good and capitalism is bad. And she's the most non-rebellious, non-confrontational person I know. This is simply what has been pumped into her head. |
Well she wasn't exposed to cold-war-era propaganda that it is axiomatically correct that socialism is evil and capitalism is good.
And at least her case has a point. Socialism caters for the good of society, capitialism caters for the good of capitalists. And since society encompasses more individuals than the capitalist class, it is by definition, the greater good.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | This country has a bright future. We need to be fucking invaded or something, to snap people out of it. |
Check the dark side of the moon (also bring an iPad) |
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| What about unprotected fucking and unplanned pregnancies? I'm pretty sure we're winning there, too. |
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just lower the legal age of alcohol to 14/16/18, just like in Germany. Do we get binge drinking? You bet - but most learn a valuable lesson and become useful members of society.
same for hemp byproducts.. you don't even need to legalize them. Just stop being anal about small amounts - if it isn't OMG ILLEAGAL those stupid brats have one fat reason less to consume it.
Fatness&stupidity - sorry. Your problem. Maybe you can discuss the problem while having a cheeseburger-crust pizza hut pizza.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | just lower the legal age of alcohol to 14/16/18, just like in Germany. Do we get binge drinking? You bet - but most learn a valuable lesson and become useful members of society. |
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The earlier people are exposed to it, the sooner they get their body used to it and/or learn to control themselves. Rather than getting to the legal age towards the end of or after finishing college and saying "Yaay! I'm 21, lets get totally drunk even though I don't know my limits. I wonder what'll happen if I drink this whole bottle of vodka."
Young people will get alcohol, legally or not, if they want it. That's inevitable. Lowering the legal age will likely make it safer in the long run. |
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Now that I'm over 21 I'm going to say keep the legal limit where it is. I don't really want to share the road with teens who can easily get their hands on alcohol.
Also, I think we have a cultural problem not a legal one. |
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| sts wrote: | Now that I'm over 21 I'm going to say keep the legal limit where it is. I don't really want to share the road with teens who can easily get their hands on alcohol.
Also, I think we have a cultural problem not a legal one. |
That's a fair point. |
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| sts wrote: | Now that I'm over 21 I'm going to say keep the legal limit where it is. I don't really want to share the road with teens who can easily get their hands on alcohol.
Also, I think we have a cultural problem not a legal one. |
so don't let them drive with 16.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | sts wrote: | Now that I'm over 21 I'm going to say keep the legal limit where it is. I don't really want to share the road with teens who can easily get their hands on alcohol.
Also, I think we have a cultural problem not a legal one. |
so don't let them drive with 16. |
I think my state (Kentucky) made the legal driving age 18 not too long ago. Don't know about other states, but we'll see how it goes.
Binging is a problem that should be left up to the parents to solve. I wouldn't mind allowing parents to give their kids a little alcohol from 15 in private areas. I hope that would soften up the rebellious attitude, and thereby the binging.
EDIT: On second thought, rebellion is only half the problem. I don't know what it is about the culture, at least around my area, but there seems to be this attitude that if you're not getting totally shitfaced, you're not having fun. And some of it also seems to be a show of manliness. |
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in Germany drinking in private circumstances is not regulated at all. Of course child protection services will fuck you up if you fill up your toddler. In public there are three rules:
14 - allowed to drink beer&wine under adult supervision
16 - beer and wine allowed
18 - bring the hard stuff.
A lot of people I know had their first experiences a lot earlier - and almost everybody learnt their lesson early and then had found their limits.
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| Mardok45 wrote: | | I don't know what it is about the culture, at least around my area, but there seems to be this attitude that if you're not getting totally shitfaced, you're not having fun. And some of it also seems to be a show of manliness. |
This is my observation too but most of my friends sortof stopped with that around 20.
Of course there are some who just don't know when they've had enough but that's not a cultural thing. |
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| Mardok45 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | sts wrote: | Now that I'm over 21 I'm going to say keep the legal limit where it is. I don't really want to share the road with teens who can easily get their hands on alcohol.
Also, I think we have a cultural problem not a legal one. |
so don't let them drive with 16. |
I think my state (Kentucky) made the legal driving age 18 not too long ago. Don't know about other states, but we'll see how it goes. |
In my opinion, 18 is a really impractical driving age.
At 17, I was driving myself to college, which would have been fairly difficult if I couldn't legally drive.
(Public transportation is also nearly nonexistent here.)
I say have driving unrestricted at 16 (14 or maybe 15 with permit + licensed passenger), but set drinking (i.e., alcohol purchasing) age at 18. |
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Alcohol: kill yourself
driving: kill others.
kids should not drive. 17 without supervision is too young.
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| In Oklahoma(With variations in all other states), you get a graduated drivers license if you're under 18, and it takes quite a while and a lot of conditions to get a full un-restricted license. Source:http://www.dps.state.ok.us/dls/gdl.htm |
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| energyman76b wrote: | Alcohol: kill yourself
driving: kill others.
kids should not drive. 17 without supervision is too young. |
There is nothing so inherently difficult about driving that it should be age-restricted at 18. It's not like teenagers have piss-poor motor skills.
The U.S. is a huge place. It's very possible to get out of mom-and-dad's house at 18 (or earlier) and find yourself in a far-away city, whether for school or for a job, without functional public transportation.
I would much rather youngsters get some experience behind the wheel by driving around their hometown neighborhoods, rather than getting out in stressful situations and killing people because they've never really driven a vehicle before. |
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