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Reality as we know it is a sort of holographic projection of the actual reality, which is two-dimensional and exists on the surface of the universe (the outer boundary). This is rapidly becoming the scientific consensus, based on recent study of black holes. Just thought you'd like to know.
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There is no reality. Only perception.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | There is no reality. Only perception. |
Would this be correct, which is not, that this would not forbid the existence to Reality-as-we-know-it which is BK's subject.
| BoneKracker wrote: | | Reality-as-we-know-it... is two-dimensional and exists... |
Is way more litigious.
I do not mind considering whatever being a two-dimensional entity.
However, the existence of a two-dimensional entity (as a two-dimensional entity) is something highly questionable.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Reality as we know it is a sort of holographic projection of the actual reality, which is two-dimensional and exists on the surface of the universe (the outer boundary). This is rapidly becoming the scientific consensus, based on recent study of black holes. Just thought you'd like to know. |
Ok. I'll take your word for it. No questions asked. |
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| disi wrote: | Recently, I met a nice rectangle...  |
I like the round shapes better...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Reality as we know it is a sort of holographic projection of the actual reality, which is two-dimensional and exists on the surface of the universe (the outer boundary). This is rapidly becoming the scientific consensus, based on recent study of black holes. Just thought you'd like to know. |
Let me guess. You've just watched an old episode of 'Through the Wormhole', narrated by Morgan Freeman. |
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| Prof. h. c. BoneKracker's metaphysics class is definitely entertaining. In small doses. Make that very small doses. |
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I already knew most of you lot were two-dimensional. Guess this is just bittersweet vindication. 
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| doubleagent wrote: | | I already knew most of you lot were two-dimensional. Guess this is just bittersweet vindication. |
Don't you mean one-dimensional? |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | There is no reality. Only perception. |
Truck running you over while you are looking other way would disagree.  |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Reality as we know it is a sort of holographic projection of the actual reality, which is two-dimensional and exists on the surface of the universe (the outer boundary). This is rapidly becoming the scientific consensus, based on recent study of black holes. Just thought you'd like to know. |
Let me guess. You've just watched an old episode of 'Through the Wormhole', narrated by Morgan Freeman. |
No. I just finished reading The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality by Brian Greene, PhD (Oxford), Professor of Theoretical Physics at Columbia University (previously, Cornell), Pulitzer Prize winner, and Co-Director of the Institute for Strings, Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics.
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So much for thinking outside the box.
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| pjp wrote: | | So much for thinking outside the box. |
Also, the past, present and future all already exist and the distinction between them is only a matter of perception, or as richk449 would put it, "an illusion".
There are also theories emerging that electrons may be black holes, and that the universe itself may be a black hole. Since we would then have black holes inside black holes inside black holes (one of them possibly containing what we perceive as reality), I imagine that the universe itself might be a black hole inside another universe, or maybe it's an electron. Maybe it's even an electron "in" our own universe.
Horton hears a Who who hears a Who who hears Horton. 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | pitcrawler wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Reality as we know it is a sort of holographic projection of the actual reality, which is two-dimensional and exists on the surface of the universe (the outer boundary). This is rapidly becoming the scientific consensus, based on recent study of black holes. Just thought you'd like to know. |
Let me guess. You've just watched an old episode of 'Through the Wormhole', narrated by Morgan Freeman. |
No. I just finished reading The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality by Brian Greene, PhD (Oxford), Professor of Theoretical Physics at Columbia University (previously, Cornell), Pulitzer Prize winner, and Co-Director of the Institute for Strings, Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics. |
Good book. Of the models he covers, I did like the holographic one the most. It is the most intriguing one for me.. Mapping a black hole by it's area instead of volume was also quite interesting.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | So much for thinking outside the box. |
It is thinking outside the box. If the universe is two dimensional (as are boxes), yet we perceive three dimensions (four counting time), I don't know how much further out of the box one can get  |
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| Akkara wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | So much for thinking outside the box. |
It is thinking outside the box. If the universe is two dimensional (as are boxes), yet we perceive three dimensions (four counting time), I don't know how much further out of the box one can get |
I think he was trying to be funny, in that a black hole (or a universe, for that matter) would more likely be modeled by a spheroid.
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Well, I was trying to be funny, but not that creative. IMO, 'the box' is a 3-D object, so if those no longer exist, then you're not really thinking outside the box after all.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| The Earth wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | No. I just finished reading The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality by Brian Greene, PhD (Oxford), Professor of Theoretical Physics at Columbia University (previously, Cornell), Pulitzer Prize winner, and Co-Director of the Institute for Strings, Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics. |
Good book. Of the models he covers, I did like the holographic one the most. It is the most intriguing one for me.. Mapping a black hole by it's area instead of volume was also quite interesting. |
So it is worth reading? It is sitting on my shelf, but I never picked it up. I read The Elegant Universe years ago, and found it pretty boring. Anyone read both and can compare? |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| richk449 wrote: | | The Earth wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | No. I just finished reading The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality by Brian Greene, PhD (Oxford), Professor of Theoretical Physics at Columbia University (previously, Cornell), Pulitzer Prize winner, and Co-Director of the Institute for Strings, Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics. |
Good book. Of the models he covers, I did like the holographic one the most. It is the most intriguing one for me.. Mapping a black hole by it's area instead of volume was also quite interesting. |
So it is worth reading? It is sitting on my shelf, but I never picked it up. I read The Elegant Universe years ago, and found it pretty boring. Anyone read both and can compare? |
I found it vastly superior to The Elegant Universe.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Reality is two-dimensional |
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| The Earth wrote: | | I found it vastly superior to The Elegant Universe. |
Okay, thanks. |
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That's a good video. They packed a lot into just a few minutes.
One thing they didn't quite get right is that two-dimensional creatures in a two-dimensional world would not see each other in two dimensions but only in one. Imagine if you were a playing card looking at another playing card. Because you both exist in one plane of reality, you would only see each other's edges (you'd be seeing each other from the side), and would appear to each other to be only a line segment. In fact, everything would appear as only line segments. The video made reference to "Flatlanders", which is interesting because that concept is illustrated in excruciating detail in the 19th Century book Flatland.
Similarly, if we stopped time and were three-dimensional creatures living in a three-dimensional world, our perception of each other would be two-dimensional. With time, we see in 3-D, but time itself is beyond our perception; we can only see it in terms of changes of state in the three dimensions we can perceive.
What's most interesting about this is that we are in fact n-dimensional (let's assume 10); it is only our senses and our perception that limits us. While it's been scoffed at in recent decades, this makes me reconsider things like extra-sensory perception, and wonder if there might be some validity, or potential validity, to it.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | the 19th Century book Flatland. |
Yes! I read that book years ago and the perception of the flatlanders is illustrated much better, I agree |
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