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Ant P.
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 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: Re: 2012 install piece of garbage. |
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| iplayfast wrote: | | The point is, a LiveDVD that doesn't allow you to install is pointless. |
The LiveDVD allows you to use the normal installation method, so pretty much everything you've said is wrong. If you're looking for a "baby Gentoo", try Sabayon. |
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John R. Graham
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| iplayfast wrote: | Careful there, I actually contributed some bucks to this distro.  |
Me, too. 
Should've clarified. Every penny you paid for the downloaded install media will be cheerfully refunded. You did keep your receipt, didn't you? 
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Fitzcarraldo
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: Review of LiveDVD 12.0 in April 2012 issue of Linux Format |
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| Linux Format magazine, Issue 156 (April 2012) wrote: | | Gentoo 12: The Mayans definitely got it wrong. The world can’t end now, not when we have possibly the best live DVD ever created. Rating: 10/10 |
I have to say that I agree with the review in the April issue of Linux Format magazine; the Gentoo LiveDVD is superb. It oozes quality and attention to detail, to the extent that it looks professionally-produced. For the magazine to rate the LiveDVD at 10 out of 10 speaks volumes.
LiveDVDs 12.0 and 12.1 showcase the distribution perfectly and are packed with software for people to try out (or use in anger, as I'm doing right now). I think the Gentoo team who put the LiveDVD together must have worked very hard indeed, and deserve to be congratulated and thanked by the Gentoo user community. The Linux Format review, along with recent posts about Gentoo LiveDVD 12.0 and 12.1 on tuxmachines.org and various blogs, are proof positive that the Gentoo LiveDVD is raising the profile of Gentoo once again after several years of dwindling interest in Gentoo by other Linux users, and I think that is to be applauded.
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genstorm
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Review of LiveDVD 12.0 in April 2012 issue of Linux Form |
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| Fitzcarraldo wrote: | | Linux Format magazine, Issue 156 (April 2012) wrote: | | Gentoo 12: The Mayans definitely got it wrong. The world can’t end now, not when we have possibly the best live DVD ever created. Rating: 10/10 |
I have to say that I agree with the review in the April issue of Linux Format magazine; the Gentoo LiveDVD is superb. It oozes quality and attention to detail, to the extent that it looks professionally-produced. For the magazine to rate the LiveDVD at 10 out of 10 speaks volumes.
LiveDVDs 12.0 and 12.1 showcase the distribution perfectly and are packed with software for people to try out (or use in anger, as I'm doing right now). I think the Gentoo team who put the LiveDVD together must have worked very hard indeed, and deserve to be congratulated and thanked by the Gentoo user community. The Linux Format review, along with recent posts about Gentoo LiveDVD 12.0 and 12.1 on tuxmachines.org and various blogs, are proof positive that the Gentoo LiveDVD is raising the profile of Gentoo once again after several years of dwindling interest in Gentoo by other Linux users, and I think that is to be applauded. |
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likewhoa
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Review of LiveDVD 12.0 in April 2012 issue of Linux Form |
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| Fitzcarraldo wrote: | | Linux Format magazine, Issue 156 (April 2012) wrote: | | Gentoo 12: The Mayans definitely got it wrong. The world can’t end now, not when we have possibly the best live DVD ever created. Rating: 10/10 |
I have to say that I agree with the review in the April issue of Linux Format magazine; the Gentoo LiveDVD is superb. It oozes quality and attention to detail, to the extent that it looks professionally-produced. For the magazine to rate the LiveDVD at 10 out of 10 speaks volumes.
LiveDVDs 12.0 and 12.1 showcase the distribution perfectly and are packed with software for people to try out (or use in anger, as I'm doing right now). I think the Gentoo team who put the LiveDVD together must have worked very hard indeed, and deserve to be congratulated and thanked by the Gentoo user community. The Linux Format review, along with recent posts about Gentoo LiveDVD 12.0 and 12.1 on tuxmachines.org and various blogs, are proof positive that the Gentoo LiveDVD is raising the profile of Gentoo once again after several years of dwindling interest in Gentoo by other Linux users, and I think that is to be applauded. |
There was no TEAM, the liveDVD is a solo mission with people just testing it out before a release. |
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Fitzcarraldo
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Review of LiveDVD 12.0 in April 2012 issue of Linux Form |
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| likewhoa wrote: | | There was no TEAM, the liveDVD is a solo mission with people just testing it out before a release. |
Team likewhoa? Well, that's even more impressive then.
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bigbangnet
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From a new linux / gentoo user perspective, it seems fair and logic to include everything you need to install Gentoo with the livedvd. You boot it up, you play with it...live and when your satisfied, you install it. Seems logic to me since the livedvd is a kind of marketing tool to attract users to Gentoo.
Also, even if you guys got a handbook to install Gentoo it would seem good to include a install handbook for the livedvd version if people want to install it.
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The Doctor
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| Quote: | | From a new linux / gentoo user perspective, it seems fair and logic to include everything you need to install Gentoo with the livedvd. |
You do get everything you need: A terminal, internet, and chroot. As pointed out, Gentoo moves too quickly for any install media to actually exist on the DVD. would you want to update a system that is 3 or more months out of date right after your first install?
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Arkhelion
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My last Gentoo install was made using the LiveDVD. There is everything in it needed to follow the handbook (although I must admit that after probably more than 20 installs, I don't read everything in the handbook).
You can modify partitions, chroot, download stage3 and snapshot, and you can do all of it with a browser opened on the handbook page.
I guess a simple link on the desktop/menu in the liveDVD called "Installation Guide" poiting to the handbook would be quite enough until someone comes with an automated install script (which would actually work).
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bigbangnet
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| penguin swordmaster wrote: | | You do get everything you need: A terminal, internet, and chroot. As pointed out, Gentoo moves too quickly for any install media to actually exist on the DVD. would you want to update a system that is 3 or more months out of date right after your first install? |
nevermind in that case. I didn't know you could but by the way the thread was going it seemed like you can't install it. Well I always used the minimal image of gentoo to install mine so I never took the livedvd version.
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Genone
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| bigbangnet wrote: | | From a new linux / gentoo user perspective, it seems fair and logic to include everything you need to install Gentoo with the livedvd. |
This has been tried in the past. The problem is to come up with a good definition of "everything". Even if you include the stage3 tarball, a snapshot and sources for all @system packages most people won't be able to perform a networkless install (which is basically the only reason this has even been tried). And maintaining a "release set" of packages is a huge maintenance burden consuming valuable development resources.
Wireless support on linux install media has traditionally been another minefield due to firmware license issues and incompatible infrastructures over the years. |
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