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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: LSD 'helps alcoholics to give up drinking' |
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Muso l33t


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:22 am Post subject: |
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No shock there. _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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| The Earth wrote: | | No shock there. | Why is that? _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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ichbinsisyphos Guru


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account). |
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b0nafide Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account). |
And you know this how?  _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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Muso l33t


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Don't trust some meth-head's account of what LSD is about.
LSD cannot 'cause' schizophrenia. However, if one is a latent schizophrenic... having the physical conditions of the brain for schizophrenia but have yet to show symptoms... LSD can actually kick start those natural schizophrenic symptoms.
People who are egomaniacs also tend to have rough times while on a decent amount (500+ micrograms) of LSD.
But for those who aren't pricks, and don't have latent schizophrenia, it is a very cathartic experience. Any addiction can be overcome with a proper lysergic cleansing... but it's not guaranteed.
As another pointed out above, Iboga is the better choice... even while being a more horrific experience for the user. _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:55 am Post subject: |
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http://www.ibogaineclinic.com/
Since psychiatric problems are often co-diagnosed with substance abuse and addiction, I question the wisdom of administering hallucinogenic drugs to addicts. It would require expert "guiding" to be sure of it working. I don't know how many psychiatrists would qualify as expert guides. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four.
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Muso l33t


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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Iboga does work, well.
| BoneKracker wrote: | | Since psychiatric problems are often co-diagnosed with substance abuse and addiction, I question the wisdom of administering hallucinogenic drugs to addicts. It would require expert "guiding" to be sure of it working. I don't know how many psychiatrists would qualify as expert guides. |
You'd be surprised how many shrinks are psychedelians. Your point still stands though. Ideally, you'd want to be with another micronaut well versed in the Iboga experience. _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kanafan wrote: | http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html
LSD was once used to *treat* childhood schizophrenia.  |
So was blood-letting, immobilization, drowning, isolation, electric shock, and brain butchery.  _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The Earth wrote: | | No shock there. | change one harmful chemical for another?
I know LSD isn't meant to be addictive but I know quite a few that aren't exactly all there after sustained use _________________ "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams |
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mcgruff Tux's lil' helper


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LSD is like a giant magnifying glass. It's as if you lose the ability to moderate thoughts or feelings, so that everything is amplified way beyond the norm. Good experiences become ecstatic and bad ones become terrible nightmares. It could be a profound experience for anyone reasonably mentally well-balanced but I think it's insane to give it to anyone with any kind of stress or anxiety - as you'd expect to find in an individual suffering from addiction. _________________ the underlay overlay |
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| Set, setting, dose and genetic disposition to schizophrenia are all good things to be aware of. I think making things illegal pretty much guarantees that setting and dose will be sketchy at best. It sure would be appropriate for people be able to make informed decisions. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| mcgruff wrote: | | LSD is like a giant magnifying glass. It's as if you lose the ability to moderate thoughts or feelings, so that everything is amplified way beyond the norm. Good experiences become ecstatic and bad ones become terrible nightmares. It could be a profound experience for anyone reasonably mentally well-balanced but I think it's insane to give it to anyone with any kind of stress or anxiety - as you'd expect to find in an individual suffering from addiction. |
I agree. It also alters perception in some other rather unpredictable ways (some of which might be considered enhancement, but sometimes we are better off with society's comfortable lies or simple denislidt ignorance). An addict attempting recovery isn't necessarily going to benefit from standing in front of a mirror having the intense epiphany that they really are nothing but a bag of protoplasmic slime clinging tenuously to a pile of fragile calcium sticks and whose existence is both insignificant and debatable. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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Muso l33t


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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | mcgruff wrote: | | LSD is like a giant magnifying glass. It's as if you lose the ability to moderate thoughts or feelings, so that everything is amplified way beyond the norm. Good experiences become ecstatic and bad ones become terrible nightmares. It could be a profound experience for anyone reasonably mentally well-balanced but I think it's insane to give it to anyone with any kind of stress or anxiety - as you'd expect to find in an individual suffering from addiction. |
I agree. It also alters perception in some other rather unpredictable ways (some of which might be considered enhancement, but sometimes we are better off with society's comfortable lies or simple denislidt ignorance). An addict attempting recovery isn't necessarily going to benefit from standing in front of a mirror having the intense epiphany that they really are nothing but a bag of protoplasmic slime clinging tenuously to a pile of fragile calcium sticks and whose existence is both insignificant and debatable. |
Well, what can (and has) happen is that they realize that they are but one consciousness inside of a living body. That body is the vehicle that the consciousness uses to navigate physical reality, and poisoning that vehicle will harm them. _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: |
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But as far as kicking addictions I think Ibogaine is the way to go |
Ibogaine is really good for curing addictions.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | kanafan wrote: | http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html
LSD was once used to *treat* childhood schizophrenia.  |
So was blood-letting, immobilization, drowning, isolation, electric shock, and brain butchery.  |
drowning, too ?
*shudders*
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account). |
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He read a few articles on the internet. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account). |
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last time his mom killed him, she was on a trip. Or so he thought. Things are a bit mushy when you just took a few pills. _________________
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Libertardian denial of reality is wholly unimpressive and unconvincing, and simply serves to demonstrate what a bunch of delusional fools they all are.
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kanafan n00b


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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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How does it work? _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account). |
You are actually saying, It's like playing on the lottery. People have done that....
More than so, I agree. A stunner like a NEW drug will cause chaos to you. Anything can happen, I can assure you. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account). |
And you know this how?  |
last time his mom killed him, she was on a trip. Or so he thought. Things are a bit mushy when you just took a few pills. |
lol. I just love a good portion of McBain..Mc Bain, Simpsons, Schwartzernegger, germany and so on...my humor is very complicated it seems... |
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kanafan n00b


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| BoneKracker wrote: | | How does it work? |
Ibogaine has a completely ridiculous pharmacology, it screws with almost every major neurotransmitter system/receptor in the brain.
Ibogaine is a 5HT2A agonist(like LSD, shrooms, DMT), a NMDA antagonist(like ketamine), a k-opioid agonist(like Salvinorin A, the active compound in Salvia divinorum) and more. It's like Paris Hilton, but it's hungry for brain receptors, not cocks.
Also, it causes REM, which normally happens only when you are asleep and dreaming.
The opioid system "reset" is probably the k-opioid agonism part.
The weird thing is that it appears to have benefits for every type of addiction(!), which shows that all addictions have a similar neurological/biochemical basis. |
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