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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:12 am    Post subject: LSD 'helps alcoholics to give up drinking' Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17297714
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No shock there.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's lots of LSD experiences to consider in the erowid vault: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_LSD.shtml

But as far as kicking addictions I think Ibogaine is the way to go: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Ibogaine.shtml
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account).

And you know this how? :wink:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't trust some meth-head's account of what LSD is about.

LSD cannot 'cause' schizophrenia. However, if one is a latent schizophrenic... having the physical conditions of the brain for schizophrenia but have yet to show symptoms... LSD can actually kick start those natural schizophrenic symptoms.

People who are egomaniacs also tend to have rough times while on a decent amount (500+ micrograms) of LSD.

But for those who aren't pricks, and don't have latent schizophrenia, it is a very cathartic experience. Any addiction can be overcome with a proper lysergic cleansing... but it's not guaranteed.

As another pointed out above, Iboga is the better choice... even while being a more horrific experience for the user.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ibogaineclinic.com/

Since psychiatric problems are often co-diagnosed with substance abuse and addiction, I question the wisdom of administering hallucinogenic drugs to addicts. It would require expert "guiding" to be sure of it working. I don't know how many psychiatrists would qualify as expert guides.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iboga does work, well.

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Since psychiatric problems are often co-diagnosed with substance abuse and addiction, I question the wisdom of administering hallucinogenic drugs to addicts. It would require expert "guiding" to be sure of it working. I don't know how many psychiatrists would qualify as expert guides.


You'd be surprised how many shrinks are psychedelians. Your point still stands though. Ideally, you'd want to be with another micronaut well versed in the Iboga experience.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

LSD was once used to *treat* childhood schizophrenia. 8O
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kanafan wrote:
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

LSD was once used to *treat* childhood schizophrenia. 8O

So was blood-letting, immobilization, drowning, isolation, electric shock, and brain butchery. :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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change one harmful chemical for another?

I know LSD isn't meant to be addictive but I know quite a few that aren't exactly all there after sustained use
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LSD is like a giant magnifying glass. It's as if you lose the ability to moderate thoughts or feelings, so that everything is amplified way beyond the norm. Good experiences become ecstatic and bad ones become terrible nightmares. It could be a profound experience for anyone reasonably mentally well-balanced but I think it's insane to give it to anyone with any kind of stress or anxiety - as you'd expect to find in an individual suffering from addiction.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Set, setting, dose and genetic disposition to schizophrenia are all good things to be aware of. I think making things illegal pretty much guarantees that setting and dose will be sketchy at best. It sure would be appropriate for people be able to make informed decisions.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LSD is like a giant magnifying glass. It's as if you lose the ability to moderate thoughts or feelings, so that everything is amplified way beyond the norm. Good experiences become ecstatic and bad ones become terrible nightmares. It could be a profound experience for anyone reasonably mentally well-balanced but I think it's insane to give it to anyone with any kind of stress or anxiety - as you'd expect to find in an individual suffering from addiction.

I agree. It also alters perception in some other rather unpredictable ways (some of which might be considered enhancement, but sometimes we are better off with society's comfortable lies or simple denislidt ignorance). An addict attempting recovery isn't necessarily going to benefit from standing in front of a mirror having the intense epiphany that they really are nothing but a bag of protoplasmic slime clinging tenuously to a pile of fragile calcium sticks and whose existence is both insignificant and debatable.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mcgruff wrote:
LSD is like a giant magnifying glass. It's as if you lose the ability to moderate thoughts or feelings, so that everything is amplified way beyond the norm. Good experiences become ecstatic and bad ones become terrible nightmares. It could be a profound experience for anyone reasonably mentally well-balanced but I think it's insane to give it to anyone with any kind of stress or anxiety - as you'd expect to find in an individual suffering from addiction.

I agree. It also alters perception in some other rather unpredictable ways (some of which might be considered enhancement, but sometimes we are better off with society's comfortable lies or simple denislidt ignorance). An addict attempting recovery isn't necessarily going to benefit from standing in front of a mirror having the intense epiphany that they really are nothing but a bag of protoplasmic slime clinging tenuously to a pile of fragile calcium sticks and whose existence is both insignificant and debatable.


Well, what can (and has) happen is that they realize that they are but one consciousness inside of a living body. That body is the vehicle that the consciousness uses to navigate physical reality, and poisoning that vehicle will harm them.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

b0nafide wrote:

But as far as kicking addictions I think Ibogaine is the way to go


Ibogaine is really good for curing addictions.


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kanafan wrote:
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

LSD was once used to *treat* childhood schizophrenia. 8O

So was blood-letting, immobilization, drowning, isolation, electric shock, and brain butchery. :lol:


drowning, too ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
ichbinsisyphos wrote:
LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account).

And you know this how? :wink:

He read a few articles on the internet.
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BoneKracker wrote:
ichbinsisyphos wrote:
LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account).

And you know this how? :wink:


last time his mom killed him, she was on a trip. Or so he thought. Things are a bit mushy when you just took a few pills.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibogaine cures opioid dependence, one proper dose and users can immediately stop using opiates without any withdrawal symptoms.

Ibogaine doesn't completely cure the dumbassery that drove them to using opiates in the first place:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?30204-the-ibogaine-wears-off...-chippin-again
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does it work?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ichbinsisyphos wrote:
LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account).


You are actually saying, It's like playing on the lottery. People have done that....

More than so, I agree. A stunner like a NEW drug will cause chaos to you. Anything can happen, I can assure you.
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BoneKracker wrote:
ichbinsisyphos wrote:
LSD can probably cure you from any minor psychological mishap, given you have the right experiences. On the other hand it can also cause those problems in the first place and then make you kill yourself and anybody standing by (and turn your brain to mush if you go by "set & setting" and accidentally forget to take dosage into account - people often forget to take dosage into account).

And you know this how? :wink:


last time his mom killed him, she was on a trip. Or so he thought. Things are a bit mushy when you just took a few pills.


lol. I just love a good portion of McBain..Mc Bain, Simpsons, Schwartzernegger, germany and so on...my humor is very complicated it seems...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
How does it work?


Ibogaine has a completely ridiculous pharmacology, it screws with almost every major neurotransmitter system/receptor in the brain.

Ibogaine is a 5HT2A agonist(like LSD, shrooms, DMT), a NMDA antagonist(like ketamine), a k-opioid agonist(like Salvinorin A, the active compound in Salvia divinorum) and more. It's like Paris Hilton, but it's hungry for brain receptors, not cocks.

Also, it causes REM, which normally happens only when you are asleep and dreaming.

The opioid system "reset" is probably the k-opioid agonism part.

The weird thing is that it appears to have benefits for every type of addiction(!), which shows that all addictions have a similar neurological/biochemical basis.
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