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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:42 am    Post subject: Gentoo Tutorial Reply with quote

The best part about Gentoo is how it's custom made for your hardware by you. But the installation process is tedious and confusing. What about building a tutorial that guides a new user step by step through the process? For instance, when installing the system you could have two windows side by side, the standard terminal on the one side, and a guidebook telling you what to do and why on the other. Is that something that could be done? I feel like it would really help people who are overwhelmed by all of the steps and options when coming from simpler operating systems.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that precisely the handbook purpose?

What you suggest would probably need an xterm or at least a framebuffer, I believe.

But what if someone try to take the setup from Arch and try to adapt to Gentoo? It's pretty straight forward, text-based, proposes config files editing, calls to package manager, etc. I don't see any blocker to use it for a Gentoo automated installation process.

Having this little tool on gentoo livecd would offer the choice between a standard installation :
- livecd-type kernel generated by genkernel
- standard options in make.conf (with newer gcc, -march=native works pretty well and standard profile USE flag are quite good too)
- etc.

and a full-handbook installation (by not launching the setup utility)

Of course, someone would have to take this and do the work, that's just an idea at this point.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about building a tutorial that guides a new user step by step through the process?
That is what the handbook is for. If there are some parts unclear, please ask about them, so that they can be clarified, of file a bug against them.

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For instance, when installing the system you could have two windows side by side, the standard terminal on the one side, and a guidebook telling you what to do and why on the other. Is that something that could be done?
I agree, that the minimal CD is, well, rather minimal. But it does not really matter what kind if medium you as a live environment to install gentoo as long as it is running on Linux.
Personally, I prefer System Rescue CD which provides a Gentoo environment with a GUI and webbrowser. You could even use the Gentoo LiveDVD, but why download such a large image, if you only need it for a short time.
You could even use an existing Linux installation to install Gentoo.

Gentoo is easy to install, provided that you are able to read and follow step by step instructions, but it is not meant be a one click installation.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the minimal cd has a console based browser, so you can read the online handbook in one terminal. No side-by-side, okay. If you want to have a side-by-side option, simply use the system rescue cd (gentoo based) from http://www.sysresccd.org
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yap, at first a thought the same thing, yes installing Gentoo is not easy but not that hard too. Installing it via the minimal cd is prety similar than installing from any other GNU/Linux distro, as long the architectures are the same (you can only chroot between distros that have the same archticture), you can use Ubuntu or any other GNU/Linux distro to installing Gentoo and use your browser to point to Gentoo Handbook
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

I did a todo list for installing a new machine from scratch on my network which will be posted on my site (french only) a day or an other.

The problem is this kind of todo list is, ok it will provide a fully workable system but for MY OWN NEEDS, probably, not yours. My suggestion is to build you own todo list based on you own installation based on handbooks.
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