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wildhorse
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| In good company with China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and other barbaric countries. |
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Clete2
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Barbaric?
We need to instill fear in those who commit heinous crimes.
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juniper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Clete2 wrote: | Barbaric?
We need to instill fear in those who commit heinous crimes. |
like china, saudi arabia, iran and iraq. nice company. |
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pjp
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I bet Texas would be #1.
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Old School
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| juniper wrote: | | Clete2 wrote: | Barbaric?
We need to instill fear in those who commit heinous crimes. |
like china, saudi arabia, iran and iraq. nice company. |
Thank you.
We try.
By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens.
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juniper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Old School wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | Clete2 wrote: | Barbaric?
We need to instill fear in those who commit heinous crimes. |
like china, saudi arabia, iran and iraq. nice company. |
Thank you.
We try.
By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
i live in britain. and hey, cut europe off if you like.
i would rather accept welfare than be on that list. |
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aidanjt
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| Old School wrote: | | By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
About the same time you stop playing Team America: World Police
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Old School
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
About the same time you stop playing Team America: World Police |
You are preaching to the choir there. You need to tell Barry Obummer.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: you people who oppose capital punishment on the grounds that it is "barbaric" are living according to the Flying Spaghetti Monster whether you understand it or not. No logical, rational, concept of justice rules it out.
I've heard all your lame arguments before, so don't even bother.
Note: I don't include in the above the rest of you who object to it on the basis of "what if innocent people get executed". That's not the same argument. You're wrong too, but nearly as wrong.
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| I don't know, man. I'm recently having second thoughts. Sometimes innocent people have gotten whacked when they shouldn't have. My question is this: Is capital punishment a deterrent for someone who's insane? And I think the rational ones who do kill someone else don't even care about dying in the first place, so there goes their initiative not to. I'm looking at this page, and can't really convince myself it's even worth it. |
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It's not about deterrent. It's about justice. Our entire system of justice is based on the concept of retribution. Any deterrent effect is just a bonus. In this one area, we get all stupid and irrational, because of the thousand years of brainwashing of our culture by Christianity.
inb4 some ignorant person says retribution is "revenge", which somebody always does 
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wswartzendruber
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| So is there some benefit to the victim's family once the killer's been put down? I have no idea, by the way. |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | So is there some benefit to the victim's family once the killer's been put down? I have no idea, by the way. |
Yes, and to others who are impacted, which to one extent or another, extends to not only to surviving family but to other loved ones and anybody who cares, and ultimately to all of society in a fashion similar to "pay it forward", except it's the fear, helplessness, anger, and hate that we're paying forward). Savage, malicious acts of unconscionable brutality, especially against innocents, affect all of us, like a cancer, and putting down the degenerates who do such things restores people's faith in humanity not only by eliminating them but by making them pay to greatest extent possible for what they have done.
That's my opinion. I don't expect to convince anybody because we've had epic 20-page threads in here on this before.
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ichbinsisyphos
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| I support the death penalty in the US. I'd go as far as calling for capital punishment for every Americunt. Just give me a Glock, 300.000.000 bullets and 2 weeks off. |
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cach0rr0
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | I support the death penalty in the US. I'd go as far as calling for capital punishment for every Americunt. Just give me a Glock, 300.000.000 bullets and 2 weeks off. |
It's a Glock. You'll only hit maybe 10 of us
I mean yeah, it'll never break down, but it's still a Glock. You'll need more rounds. |
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BoneKracker
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | I support the death penalty in the US. I'd go as far as calling for capital punishment for every Americunt. Just give me a Glock, 300.000.000 bullets and 2 weeks off. |
313,259,521 of us, with a net increase of 1 person each 15 seconds.
You'd have to maintain a long-term rate of fire of four rds. per minute just to stay even.
That might be difficult, if you factor in time for reloading your magazines, moving to the location of each person, and avoiding being shot by the approximately 80 million of us who shoot back, mostly with more accuracy than you.
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juniper
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Thank you.
We try.
By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
by the way, what does this have to do with the OP? |
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juniper
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| BoneKracker wrote: | It's not about deterrent. It's about justice. Our entire system of justice is based on the concept of retribution. Any deterrent effect is just a bonus. In this one area, we get all stupid and irrational, because of the thousand years of brainwashing of our culture by Christianity.
inb4 some ignorant person says retribution is "revenge", which somebody always does |
on about christianity and capital punishment again?
for one thing, the connection is weak. for another, nobody claimed nothing good came from christianity. Hell, if you all got brainwashed into not killing each other, that isn't really a negative. |
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Prenj
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| Jesus was cool. Rest of the christians kinda suck. |
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roarinelk
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| BoneKracker wrote: | It's not about deterrent. It's about justice. Our entire system of justice is based on the concept of retribution. Any deterrent effect is just a bonus. In this one area, we get all stupid and irrational, because of the thousand years of brainwashing of our culture by Christianity.
inb4 some ignorant person says retribution is "revenge", which somebody always does :roll: |
Not surprising in country settled by (christian) religious fundamentalists so insane that even the Europeans wanted to exterminate them. |
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Koala Kid
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | Just give me a Glock, 300.000.000 bullets and 2 weeks off. |
and who's gonna feed that daughter of yours locked in the cellar?
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| Old School wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
About the same time you stop playing Team America: World Police |
You are preaching to the choir there. You need to tell Barry Obummer. |
Tell him what exactly? Has there been any world policing under Obama? I don't think Libya counts all that much. |
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aidanjt
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | Tell him what exactly? Has there been any world policing under Obama? I don't think Libya counts all that much. |
Was pretty much a Euro campaign, that, anyway.
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Old School
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| juniper wrote: | | Old School wrote: |
Thank you.
We try.
By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
by the way, what does this have to do with the OP? |
I'm sorry. I thought this was Off The Wall. 
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | By the way, when are Euro's gonna stop depending on US subsidization? You people really need to quit depending on the US for your safety, and help yourselves. You act like a bunch of unappreciative welfare queens. |
About the same time you stop playing Team America: World Police |
You are preaching to the choir there. You need to tell Barry Obummer. |
Tell him what exactly? Has there been any world policing under Obama? I don't think Libya counts all that much. |
Let's start with over 80,000 troops in Europe, then add our presence in Japan, Korea, Philippines, Afghanistan, the whole Arabian Peninsula, North Africa, Central Africa, Central and South America.
Other than that, you are correct.
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