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Rush Limbaugh Isn’t the Only Media Misogynist
| Quote: | Rush Limbaugh apologized on Saturday for calling a Georgetown Law student a slut for testifying about contraception and starting a firestorm of outrage. Kirsten Powers says the liberals who led the charge need to start holding their own side accountable.
Did you know there is a war on women?
Yes, it’s true. Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Matt Taibbi, and Ed Schultz have been waging it for years with their misogynist outbursts. There have been boycotts by people on the left who are outraged that these guys still have jobs. Oh, wait. Sorry, that never happened.
Boycotts are reserved for people on the right like Rush Limbaugh, who finally apologized Saturday for calling a 30-year-old Georgetown Law student, Sandra Fluke, a “slut” after she testified before congress about contraception. Limbaugh’s apology was likely extracted to stop the departure of any more advertisers, who were rightly under pressure from liberal groups outraged by the comments.
Let it be shouted from the rooftops that Rush Limbaugh should not have called Ms. Fluke a slut or, as he added later, a “prostitute” who should post her sex tapes. It’s unlikely that his apology will assuage the people on a warpath for his scalp, and after all, why should it? He spent days attacking a woman as a slut and prostitute and refused to relent. Now because he doesn’t want to lose advertisers, he apologizes. What’s in order is something more like groveling—and of course a phone call to Ms. Fluke—if you ask me.
But if Limbaugh’s actions demand a boycott—and they do—then what about the army of swine on the left?
During the 2008 election Ed Schultz said on his radio show that Sarah Palin set off a “bimbo alert.” He called Laura Ingraham a “right-wing slut.” (He later apologized.) He once even took to his blog to call yours truly a “bimbo” for the offense of quoting him accurately in a New York Post column.
Keith Olbermann has said that conservative commentator S.E. Cupp should have been aborted by her parents, apparently because he finds her having opinions offensive. He called Michelle Malkin a “mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick.” He found it newsworthy to discuss Carrie Prejean’s breasts on his MSNBC show. His solution for dealing with Hillary Clinton, who he thought should drop out of the presidential race, was to find “somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.” Olbermann now works for über-leftist and former Democratic vice president Al Gore at Current TV.
Left-wing darling Matt Taibbi wrote on his blog in 2009, “When I read [Malkin’s] stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth.” In a Rolling Stone article about Secretary of State Clinton, he referred to her “flabby arms.” When feminist writer Erica Jong criticized him for it, he responded by referring to Jong as an “800-year old sex novelist.” (Jong is almost 70, which apparently makes her an irrelevant human being.) In Taibbi’s profile of Congresswoman and presidential candidate Michele Bachmann he labeled her “batshit crazy.” (Oh, those “crazy” women with their hormones and all.)
Chris Matthews’s sickening misogyny was made famous in 2008, when he obsessively tore down Hillary Clinton for standing between Barack Obama and the presidency, something that Matthews could not abide. Over the years he has referred to the former first lady, senator and presidential candidate and current secretary of state as a “she-devil,” “Nurse Ratched,” and “Madame Defarge.” Matthews has also called Clinton “witchy,” “anti-male,” and “uppity” and once claimed she won her Senate seat only because her “husband messed around.” He asked a guest if “being surrounded by women” makes “a case for commander in chief—or does it make a case against it?” At some point Matthews was shamed into sort of half apologizing to Clinton, but then just picked up again with his sexist ramblings.
Matthews has wondered aloud whether Sarah Palin is even “capable of thinking” and has called Bachmann a “balloon head” and said she was “lucky we still don’t have literacy tests out there.” Democratic strategist Jehmu Greene, who is the former president of the Women’s Media Center, told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly in 2011 that Matthews
“is a bully, and his favorite target is women.” So why does he still have a show? What if his favorite target was Jews? Or African-Americans?
But the grand pooh-bah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher—who also happens to be a favorite of liberals—who has given $1 million to President Obama’s super PAC. Maher has called Palin a “dumb twat” and dropped the C-word in describing the former Alaska governor. He called Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann “boobs” and “two bimbos.” He said of the former vice-presidential candidate, “She is not a mean girl. She is a crazy girl with mean ideas.” He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator. Imagine now the same joke during the 2008 primary with Michelle Obama’s name in it, and tell me that he would still have a job. Maher said of a woman who was harassed while breast-feeding at an Applebee’s, “Don't show me your tits!” as though a woman feeding her child is trying to flash Maher. (Here’s a way to solve his problem: don’t stare at a strangers’ breasts). Then, his coup de grâce: “And by the way, there is a place where breasts and food do go together. It’s called Hooters!”
Liberals—you know, the people who say they “fight for women”—comprise Maher’s audience, and a parade of high-profile liberals make up his guest list. Yet have any of them confronted him? Nope. That was left to Ann Coulter, who actually called Maher a misogynist to his face, an opportunity that feminist icon Gloria Steinem failed to take when she appeared on his show in 2011.
This is not to suggest that liberals—or feminists—never complain about misogyny. Many feminist blogs now document attacks on women on the left and the right, including Jezebel, Shakesville, and the Women’s Media Center (which was cofounded by Steinem). But when it comes to high-profile campaigns to hold these men accountable—such as that waged against Limbaugh—the real fury seems reserved only for conservatives, while the men on the left get a wink and a nod as long as they are carrying water for the liberal cause.
After all, if Limbaugh’s outburst is part of the “war on women,” then what is the routine misogyny of liberal media men?
It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square. |
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The left is riddled with feminazis though, and they pretty much regard anything with a penis as misogynist.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | The left is riddled with feminazis though, and they pretty much regard anything with a penis as misogynist. |
Did you read TFA?
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| The Earth wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | The left is riddled with feminazis though, and they pretty much regard anything with a penis as misogynist. |
Did you read TFA? |
He read 40% of the first 30%, eyes start to glaze over, then break. It's called speed reading.
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She makes some good points but also seems to think generic insults are misogynistic. 
Are we not allowed to insult women at all?
Also there seems to be two different types of "misogynists" here. There's the "women are sluts and that is shameful" and the "women are sluts and that is awesome" types. |
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| sts wrote: | She makes some good points but also seems to think generic insults are misogynistic.
Are we not allowed to insult women at all?
Also there seems to be two different types of "misogynists" here. There's the "women are sluts and that is shameful" and the "women are sluts and that is awesome" types. |
Feminists are much like islamists and jews. No criticism allowed. Especially no cartoons. |
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In short, these guys are being dicks.  |
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| nomilieu wrote: | | In short, these guys are being dicks. |
yep.
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| sts wrote: | | She makes some good points but also seems to think generic insults are misogynistic. |
As I said...
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Thanks for posting, I was just going to dig it up.
Typical Dbaggery.
Where is the "un"biased media outrage? Exactly.
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| Prenj wrote: | | sts wrote: | She makes some good points but also seems to think generic insults are misogynistic.
Are we not allowed to insult women at all?
Also there seems to be two different types of "misogynists" here. There's the "women are sluts and that is shameful" and the "women are sluts and that is awesome" types. |
Feminists are much like islamists and jews. No criticism allowed. Especially no cartoons. |
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@ OP and everyone else:
I don't get it. some of the quotes have nothing to do with being a woman. calling a woman "batshit crazy" isn't misogynist. Simply criticizing a woman doesn't make you misogynist. You could equally call a man "batshit insane" and it would mean the exact same thing. Saying about someone (oh, let's say for example Palin), that they are lucky that literacy tests aren't done isn't at all misogynist.
Also, the article is at least misquoting in one instance that I remember. Bill Maher didn't call them "boobs". He said that he doesn't dislike them (Palin, Bachmann) because they are women, but he dislikes them because they are boobs. Rather different (an attempt at a joke, play on words). Also, let's be clear, maher is a comedian, and he is going to straddle this line a lot.
The right, as usual, is a bit confused.
It is difficult to tell without context when one is out of line, but calling a woman a slut is probably always bad (Limbaugh and a few others) and calling someone a "bimbo" is no doubt always bad.
So, we should probably all be clear on what constitutes a misogynist comment. |
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| juniper wrote: | | The right, as usual, is a bit confused. |
Kirsten Powers is not on the right. She's a democrat political analyst who used to date Anthony Weiner.
| juniper wrote: | | Also, let's be clear, maher is a comedian |
So is Limbaugh.
| juniper wrote: | | , and he is going to straddle this line a lot. |
Again, the only standards the left has are double standards.
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Kirsten Powers is not on the right. She's a democrat political analyst who used to date Anthony Weiner. |
ok. never heard of her.
never heard of most of the people in the article (attacking MSNBC types isn't that hard).
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| juniper wrote: | | Also, let's be clear, maher is a comedian |
So is Limbaugh. |
first line of wikipedia on Maher
"William "Bill" Maher, Jr. ( /ˈmɑːr/; born January 20, 1956) is an American stand-up comedian, "
the word "comedian" only shows up on Limbaugh's page when describing Al Franken.
apples and oranges.
Slut is an interesting word as it really has no counterpart. so limbaugh and all those "leftists" are in the same boat on that word. I would say bimbo is insulting, but it's like calling someone a "dumb jock". if you are in a serious business, I wouldn't use either of them.
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Wikipedia? Really?
Wikipedia is trustworthy for looking up anything that isn't political. Limbaugh is not such a case.
Limbaugh is an entertainer, and a funny one at that. What do you generally call a funny entertainer?
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| The Earth wrote: | Wikipedia? Really?
Wikipedia is trustworthy for looking up anything that isn't political. Limbaugh is not such a case.
Limbaugh is an entertainer, and a funny one at that. What do you generally call a funny entertainer? |
just using wikipedia as a quick source. does it too have a left wing bias like the media, universities, and life in general? If so, y'all republicans can edit it.
an entertainer that tells jokes is not a comedian. he tells the occasional joke, that doesn't make him a comedian. he doesn't do stand up, he doesn't do comedy tv, and he doesn't do comedy radio.
in any case, I would say calling a woman a slut pretty bad. so everyone on that list that did that should be in his boat. But, my point stands. many of the examples were either simple criticisms or name calling, not misogyny. |
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Wikipedia is notoriously bad as a source for anything that has to do with politics. You know this, right?
To quote Powers again, because her point is really important :
| Democrat Political Analyst Kirsten Powers wrote: | | It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square. |
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Maher and Limbaugh are both entertainers.
And the excuse that it is just comedy is bogus.
Just ask that guy from Seinfeld.
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| The Earth wrote: | | Wikipedia is notoriously bad as a source for anything that has to do with politics. You know this, right? |
I don't use wikipedia for politics. And I didn't above.
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To quote Powers again, because her point is really important :
| Democrat Political Analyst Kirsten Powers wrote: | | It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square. |
that is an important point, but I don't see a ton of evidence for it in the following way. |
first, she mentions ass hats like keith olberman. I would call myself a leftist and let me tell you he doesn't speak for me at all. Yes, if you talk about pure ass hats they are going to say stupid things.
second, and I will use this example because I know and remember the clip, the thing about Maher is just plain stupid.
here is a youtube compilation clip from that highly paid micro brain Hannity talking about the "far left" Bill Maher (who happens to be a fan of Ron Paul). it includes the "boob" comment.
Hannity on Bill Maher
Hannity is talking about the same stuff as this woman in the column and he has a whole bunch of clips of Maher, none of them supporting the claim that Maher is misogynist or anti woman (yes, I claim that even about the boob comment).
oh, by the way, kirsten powers is a democratic analyst for fox news (explains a lot).
And, now, let's compare
rush limbaugh talking out of his ass
in this clip he calls the woman testifying before congress about employers and birth control a slut, prostitute and wants her to post her sex videos on line.
Please, oh please, tell me that you two (Old School and The Earth) can tell the difference.
of course, this is not to claim that she is wrong, but those clips are an example of where her claim is bogus (note, she cites both incidences). |
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One must also take into account that radio is generally more permissive of political incorrectness than television.
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| juniper wrote: | | oh, by the way, kirsten powers is a democratic analyst for fox news (explains a lot). |
Does it? Joe Trippi is also a democrat analyst who was hired by FNC. Joe Trippi was Howard Dean's campaign manager.
Between your comment above and your previous shock that Chris Wallace actually gives a good interview, I realize that you actually have no idea what FNC is about. You seem to think that FNC is just O'Reilly & Hannity (both of which are opinion shows, and don't try to hide that fact). Mara Liason (NPR), Joe Trippi, Kirsten Powers, Juan Williams, and Alan Colmes are on FNC. Do you think them all be suspect in their "lefty credentials" because they work with FNC?
As to your double standards with misogyny, I just find it sad.
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And Andrew Breitbart was one of the founders of HuffPo. I shit you not.
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| Quote: | | Does it? Joe Trippi is also a democrat analyst who was hired by FNC. Joe Trippi was Howard Dean's campaign manager. |
me making a dig at fox news. it's all the rage in britain with the whole phone hacking scandal (not fox news, but News Corp). I guess fox news has to give "both" sides, no?
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Between your comment above and your previous shock that Chris Wallace actually gives a good interview, I realize that you actually have no idea what FNC is about. You seem to think that FNC is just O'Reilly & Hannity (both of which are opinion shows, and don't try to hide that fact). |
I gave up on fox news a while ago, as I haven't lived in the americas for a few years. my main exposure is their crappy website and various youtubes and John Stewart (which I have also seen less of, maybe once a month). No time for tv anymore and I have to pick my news. I haven't seen much of O'Reilly (more angry and sad than bad I think). Chris Wallace is one reasonable (from the small clips of I have seen) in a sea of crap. Alan Colmes I do know and he is a complete fool. Please.
So, my fox news is likely out of date since moving out of north america, but I don't have much evidence it is much better. However, the fact that fox still has guys like O'Reilly, cavuto and Hannity says a lot of what they think about quality.
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As to your double standards with misogyny, I just find it sad. |
did you see the clips I posted? At least in those two clips, we are talking apples and oranges and it is so obvious. As to her other examples, I don't know. I haven't heard of some of those people and I am not going to search through every quote. I picked the two most ridiculous examples in her article because I remember seeing the Maher clip and I was pretty confident that Limbaugh was going to be over the top. It set off my bullshit alarm. That doesn't mean her other examples aren't right, just that the one I knew and then one I investigated were totally at odds with what she wrote.
I find it sad that you can't distinguish between criticizing women and making misogynist comments. kind of like how criticizing obama doesn't make you a member of the KKK. Let me know if her other examples are more compelling. "batshit crazy" doesn't qualify.
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| juniper wrote: | | I find it sad that you can't distinguish between criticizing women and making misogynist comments. kind of like how criticizing obama doesn't make you a member of the KKK. Let me know if her other examples are more compelling. |
That's what started this whole thread, people who can't distinguish between criticizing women (really a single woman) and making misogynist comments (which by definition is all women).
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