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 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:47 am Post subject: Barack Obama birth proof 'may be forged' |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009
| Quote: | The birth certificate of US President Barack Obama could well be a forgery, a high-profile Arizona sheriff has said.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County - who styles himself as America's toughest - unveiled the results of a probe into the origins of the document.
His investigators found "probable cause" the certificate may have been made by "forgery and fraud", he said.
Mr Arpaio, known for his tough stance on immigration, is being investigated over allegations of racial profiling.
The US justice department alleges that his office routinely discriminated against Latinos.
He also faces a federal grand jury investigation into the activities of his anti-corruption unit, and an forthcoming re-election bid in Maricopa County. |
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Sheriff Joe has lots of enemies because he's a hard-ass. Why he wants to add the President of the United States to that list would be a hard question to answer.
That said, everyone knows its a forgery. Why else would it have taken two years for him to produce it, and why else would he have have spent millions in legal fees to prevent independent experts from examining it (which still has not happened)? However, the idea that it's not has become a truism among his mindless followers. To them, to question it is blasphemy, and such blasphemers must be ridiculed and ostracized. When you don't have facts and logic on your side, you have no choice but to resort to such fallacious argumentation.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Why else would it have taken two years for him to produce it |
I think they could have produced the forgery in a very short amount of time. Certainly well less than a year. I think the reason for the delay was that he/his team thought it would go away on its own.
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| pjp wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Why else would it have taken two years for him to produce it |
I think they could have produced the forgery in a very short amount of time. Certainly well less than a year. I think the reason for the delay was that he/his team thought it would go away on its own. |
I agree. They didn't want to have to produce a forgery, so they didn't, until it became apparent that it was just never going to go away.
But, they have still fought, tooth and nail, in courts across the country, to prevent anyone from getting a close look at it. Why? What's he hiding? It just makes no sense otherwise. That, on top of all the delays, the original release of the bullshit computer printout, and all the other fishy information (like his use of multiple social security numbers, practically no record of his existence at times) leaves people wondering. Inquiring minds want to know.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | But, they have still fought, tooth and nail, in courts across the country, to prevent anyone from getting a close look at it. Why? What's he hiding? It just makes no sense otherwise. That, on top of all the delays, the original release of the bullshit computer printout, and all the other fishy information (like his use of multiple social security numbers, practically no record of his existence at times) leaves people wondering. Inquiring minds want to know. |
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense if he were legit.
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The reason this whole birther thing makes absolutely NO SENSE is that even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, and thus eligible for the presidency. There are plenty of things he should be called out on, but this birth certificate thing is absolutely ridiculous. The birthers man, John McCain was born in Panama, yet no one one has said that this disqualifies him from being the president. The fact is that some people just can't accept the idea of a black president.
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He even showed a video as proof! http://youtu.be/2bqEn8AXzJ4
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Sheriff Joe has lots of enemies because he's a hard-ass. Why he wants to add the President of the United States to that list would be a hard question to answer. |
Aw come on. With election for his post coming up, he wants to pander a bit to the redneck voters and get some press coverage. Also, now he can whine about the gubernment unfairly prosecuting him when the DoJ probing into his doings come up with something. And all this with basically no risk, because what can the white house do, send the Secret Service to silence him? |
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | ... his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, and thus eligible for the presidency ... |
That's funny, it really says only naturalized citizens are ineligible to become US prez. |
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | The reason this whole birther thing makes absolutely NO SENSE is that even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, and thus eligible for the presidency. There are plenty of things he should be called out on, but this birth certificate thing is absolutely ridiculous. The birthers man, John McCain was born in Panama, yet no one one has said that this disqualifies him from being the president. The fact is that some people just can't accept the idea of a black president. |
OK, I can buy all of that at face-value for the sake of this discussion. I really like the way you have it all written in a logical progression. My question then comes to this. If it is all that easy to explain as you just made it (and I'm not being a dick here or in the slightest way sarcastic) why wouldn't the administration have just said it that way from the first time it was raised? There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the "official" PDF of the birth certificate was altered. Now, that doesn't mean it is a complete forgery anyway. But again it begs the question, why all the deception? Why can't it be as simple as you laid it out to be, if that is the truth? I'm not pretending to know what is going on here, I'm just pointing out that I think there is plenty of evidence to support that "SOMETHING" is going on bigger than what you have simply and eloquently stated.
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | The reason this whole birther thing makes absolutely NO SENSE is that even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, |
No it doesn't.
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| BonezTheGoon wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | The reason this whole birther thing makes absolutely NO SENSE is that even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, and thus eligible for the presidency. There are plenty of things he should be called out on, but this birth certificate thing is absolutely ridiculous. The birthers man, John McCain was born in Panama, yet no one one has said that this disqualifies him from being the president. The fact is that some people just can't accept the idea of a black president. |
OK, I can buy all of that at face-value for the sake of this discussion. I really like the way you have it all written in a logical progression. My question then comes to this. If it is all that easy to explain as you just made it (and I'm not being a dick here or in the slightest way sarcastic) why wouldn't the administration have just said it that way from the first time it was raised? There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the "official" PDF of the birth certificate was altered. Now, that doesn't mean it is a complete forgery anyway. But again it begs the question, why all the deception? Why can't it be as simple as you laid it out to be, if that is the truth? I'm not pretending to know what is going on here, I'm just pointing out that I think there is plenty of evidence to support that "SOMETHING" is going on bigger than what you have simply and eloquently stated. |
My point exactly. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And, it's not like we're dealing with somebody known to have a reputation for honesty and integrity in all things, who should be given the benefit of a doubt.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | BonezTheGoon wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | The reason this whole birther thing makes absolutely NO SENSE is that even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, and thus eligible for the presidency. There are plenty of things he should be called out on, but this birth certificate thing is absolutely ridiculous. The birthers man, John McCain was born in Panama, yet no one one has said that this disqualifies him from being the president. The fact is that some people just can't accept the idea of a black president. |
OK, I can buy all of that at face-value for the sake of this discussion. I really like the way you have it all written in a logical progression. My question then comes to this. If it is all that easy to explain as you just made it (and I'm not being a dick here or in the slightest way sarcastic) why wouldn't the administration have just said it that way from the first time it was raised? There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the "official" PDF of the birth certificate was altered. Now, that doesn't mean it is a complete forgery anyway. But again it begs the question, why all the deception? Why can't it be as simple as you laid it out to be, if that is the truth? I'm not pretending to know what is going on here, I'm just pointing out that I think there is plenty of evidence to support that "SOMETHING" is going on bigger than what you have simply and eloquently stated. |
My point exactly. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And, it's not like we're dealing with somebody known to have a reputation for honesty and integrity in all things, who should be given the benefit of a doubt. |
Hell even Bill "Do it Live" O'Reily says this birther crap is bullshit and should just stop.
Bill O'Reilly To Republicans: Drop The Birther Issue!
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Nobody wants to be a "birther". 
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Nobody wants to be a "birther". |
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | BonezTheGoon wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | The reason this whole birther thing makes absolutely NO SENSE is that even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth, and thus eligible for the presidency. There are plenty of things he should be called out on, but this birth certificate thing is absolutely ridiculous. The birthers man, John McCain was born in Panama, yet no one one has said that this disqualifies him from being the president. The fact is that some people just can't accept the idea of a black president. |
OK, I can buy all of that at face-value for the sake of this discussion. I really like the way you have it all written in a logical progression. My question then comes to this. If it is all that easy to explain as you just made it (and I'm not being a dick here or in the slightest way sarcastic) why wouldn't the administration have just said it that way from the first time it was raised? There is a LOT of evidence to suggest that the "official" PDF of the birth certificate was altered. Now, that doesn't mean it is a complete forgery anyway. But again it begs the question, why all the deception? Why can't it be as simple as you laid it out to be, if that is the truth? I'm not pretending to know what is going on here, I'm just pointing out that I think there is plenty of evidence to support that "SOMETHING" is going on bigger than what you have simply and eloquently stated. |
My point exactly. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And, it's not like we're dealing with somebody known to have a reputation for honesty and integrity in all things, who should be given the benefit of a doubt. |
Hell even Bill "Do it Live" O'Reily says this birther crap is bullshit and should just stop.
Bill O'Reilly To Republicans: Drop The Birther Issue! |
By ignoring it are you conceding that your previous post lacked truth? |
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | even if he was born outside the country, his mother was still a US citizen, which makes him a citizen from birth |
How do you figure? In the 90s, I'd heard military members having kids in foreign countries had to file paperwork for citizenship.
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| slonocode wrote: | | By ignoring it are you conceding that your previous post lacked truth? |
What exactly are you saying I'm ignoring?
The fact is that there is no credible reason to believe that Obama wasn't born in Honolulu like he says he was. However even if this wasn't true, he is still a natural born citizen because his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth. Basically there all the birthers claims are invalid and if if they were valid, they wouldn't matter because of his mother's citizenship. There are PLENTY of justified reasons to criticize Obama, this birther issue isn't one of them.
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | slonocode wrote: | | By ignoring it are you conceding that your previous post lacked truth? |
What exactly are you saying I'm ignoring?
The fact is that there is no credible reason to believe that Obama wasn't born in Honolulu like he says he was. However even if this wasn't true, he is still a natural born citizen because his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth. Basically there all the birthers claims are invalid and if if they were valid, they wouldn't matter because of his mother's citizenship. There are PLENTY of justified reasons to criticize Obama, this birther issue isn't one of them. |
Did you not read what you quoted? Really you don't understand what I'm talking about? You quoted a long paragraph that basically asked you to prove your claim and your only response was to not answer but instead direct a you tube link to someone else.
Then in response to me you simply reiterate your claim with no further proof again.
Is that a little more clear? |
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| pjp wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | But, they have still fought, tooth and nail, in courts across the country, to prevent anyone from getting a close look at it. Why? What's he hiding? It just makes no sense otherwise. That, on top of all the delays, the original release of the bullshit computer printout, and all the other fishy information (like his use of multiple social security numbers, practically no record of his existence at times) leaves people wondering. Inquiring minds want to know. |
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense if he were legit. |
no it doesn't. If it was just some bureaucratic error and the records were just lost, then 'creating' the necessary paper work would also make sense.
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| sugar wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | But, they have still fought, tooth and nail, in courts across the country, to prevent anyone from getting a close look at it. Why? What's he hiding? It just makes no sense otherwise. That, on top of all the delays, the original release of the bullshit computer printout, and all the other fishy information (like his use of multiple social security numbers, practically no record of his existence at times) leaves people wondering. Inquiring minds want to know. |
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense if he were legit. |
no it doesn't. If it was just some bureaucratic error and the records were just lost, then 'creating' the necessary paper work would also make sense. |
He's hiding something. That much is obvious.
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What I really think is, he's a made-up person. His mother, grandparents and his father are just random people. All of whom are dead. He was probably born in America to different parents.
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He's a vat-grown Manchurian Candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood! 
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| sugar wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | He's hiding something. That much is obvious. |
no? all you have is proof of a conspiracy theory. |
I don't know what that means. I'm just saying he's obviously hiding something, and what else could it be?
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