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I once adressed someone as madam and she went nuts. 
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| Quote: | | But two women's' groups, Osez le Feminisme (Dare feminism) and Les Chiennes de Garde (Guard Bitches), said the word was condescending and bolstered latent machismo in French society. |
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Well, "Fräulein", the German equivalent of "Mademoiselle" has been banned in Germany a long time ago.
I don't care. I mean, it's much easier to always write "Madame" than constantly trying to remember if said person is married or not.
While we're at it: Is there still Mrs and Ms on official forms in the US/ UK?
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| Clad in Sky wrote: | | Is there still Mrs and Ms on official forms in the US/ UK? |
Mrs. for a married woman, Miss for an single woman, and Ms. for a bearded angry lesbian woman.
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So the French feminazi solution is to band all women into the worn old hag band?
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| aidanjt wrote: | | So the French feminazi solution is to band all women into the worn old hag band? |
Seems so. Hillary would be proud 
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It's high time they got rid of these terms.
Marital status is not relevant, and they should have been replaced long ago. What's relevant is whether they are good for breeding or not. There should be two categories: Dry (pre- or post-menopausal); or Wet; and those should be the titles.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | There should be three categories: dry (pre- or post-menopausal); or bleeder; and the titles should reflect that. |
Yeah, feminazis will not have a problem with that.
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This is that sort of thing which will make me loose faith in my country, seriously. It doesn't seem we're in a financial crisis, nothing was more important that remove "Mademoiselle" from the forms… Plus, why remove it besides in real life un-married women become mad when we call them Madame ?
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| The Earth wrote: | | Clad in Sky wrote: | | Is there still Mrs and Ms on official forms in the US/ UK? |
Mrs. for a married woman, Miss for an single woman, and Ms. for a bearded angry lesbian woman. |
it does beg the question; why are women implicitly asked for their martial status? |
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| sugar wrote: | | To be honest, I don't understand why martial status is of anyone else's business. |
I don't see why what people call each other is any of your business.
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| juniper wrote: | | it does beg the question; why are women implicitly asked for their martial status? |
Because hitting on married women is frowned upon? There's no particular need to ask for gender or age specific salutation either, we could just call you Person Juniper. Or maybe Hi You would do.
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| juniper wrote: | | The Earth wrote: | | Clad in Sky wrote: | | Is there still Mrs and Ms on official forms in the US/ UK? |
Mrs. for a married woman, Miss for an single woman, and Ms. for a bearded angry lesbian woman. |
it does beg the question; why are women implicitly asked for their martial status? |
Because social protocol dictates (or, rather, used to dictate) different conduct of men in the company of married and unmarried women. For example, a gentleman should not place the reputation of an unmarried woman in jeopardy by being alone with them. Also, men must be able to tell which flowers are eligible to be plucked. Women don't need to know this, because they do not initiate contact or openly express interest.
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Because social protocol dictates (or, rather, used to dictate) different conduct of men in the company of married and unmarried women. For example, a gentleman should not place the reputation of an unmarried woman in jeopardy by being alone with them. Also, men must be able to tell which flowers are eligible to be plucked. Women don't need to know this, because they do not initiate contact or openly express interest. |
the important part is the bold, hence the request for changing it. but your post is bang on and supports their cause. |
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| barul wrote: | | This is that sort of thing which will make me loose faith in my country, seriously. It doesn't seem we're in a financial crisis, nothing was more important that remove "Mademoiselle" from the forms… Plus, why remove it besides in real life un-married women become mad when we call them Madame ? |
Hey barul do not worry... financial situation has been taken into account :
| Quote: | | However, the change will not be immediate as for economic reasons, current forms are to be used "until stocks run out". |
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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
Because social protocol dictates (or, rather, used to dictate) different conduct of men in the company of married and unmarried women. For example, a gentleman should not place the reputation of an unmarried woman in jeopardy by being alone with them. Also, men must be able to tell which flowers are eligible to be plucked. Women don't need to know this, because they do not initiate contact or openly express interest. |
the important part is the bold, hence the request for changing it. but your post is bang on and supports their cause. |
The problem is that they are in the minority. I think many single women and most men prefer to have the single women identified like this. Unlike the 1970s I grew up in, starting around the '90s, I think there was a very stealthy retreat to many traditional aspects of women's roles. Think "Sex in the City"; those are not your mother's feminists right there.
The people who object are the dikes, those who have become embittered by the fact that nobody is ever going to ask them to marry, perhaps some divorcees who are never going to remarry, and a handful of married but flirtatious Queen Bee type personalities who like all the attention they can get.
Then you've also got the momentum factor, which includes all the people who just don't give a fuck (or enough of one to bother making any effort).
So, including men, single women who like it, and all the people who don't give a fuck, you've got two-thirds to three-fourths of the population. Against them you've got the other fourth, of which only a fraction are the outspoken minority who are loud-mouthed and irritating enough to get something done.
In a society dominated by the PC Brigade mentality, where such things take priority over all else, I can see this mattering.
Here, I rarely see a form any more that asks for a "title" (such as "Mr., Mrs., Miss, or Ms."). They generally just ask, "Sex: M or F". Gradually, usage of the terms will slip from usage. It's easy enough to get around. This is one of the reasons why use of first names has become the norm in business. Meanwhile, if some ridiculous countries want to make a big deal over it, that's their choice.
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| marens wrote: | | Quote: | | But two women's' groups, Osez le Feminisme (Dare feminism) and Les Chiennes de Garde (Guard Bitches), said the word was condescending and bolstered latent machismo in French society. |
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Just means "female dog", no explicit offensiveness that I'm aware of.
| aidanjt wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | it does beg the question; why are women implicitly asked for their martial status? |
Because hitting on married women is frowned upon? There's no particular need to ask for gender or age specific salutation either, we could just call you Person Juniper. Or maybe Hi You would do. |
Hitting on married men, of course, is A-OK. |
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all women should be called 'Weib'. Since not ones has earned the respectful title 'Frau'. Fräulein is not disrespectful. Small 'Frau' which is a honorary title. The correct term would be 'Dirne'. I am sure they love that term even more....
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| YawningAngel wrote: | | Because hitting on married women is frowned upon? |
Courting initiation is almost entirely on the man's part.
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BTW, my next try will be to suggest that "Ma" should be removed from "Madame" leaving "Dame" alone.
For the sake of equality, "Mon" should be removed from "Monsieur", leaving "Sieur" alone.
These possessives are indeed disrespectful
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we need something truely neutral. I am for 'cunt' and 'schlong'.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | we need something truely neutral. I am for 'cunt' and 'schlong'. |
Black guys are quite fond of 'bitches', or variations thereupon.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | we need something truely neutral. I am for 'cunt' and 'schlong'. |
Black guys are quite fond of 'bitches', or variations thereupon. |
disgusting. Men fucking dogs should be shot.
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