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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: KDE 3.5.10 still works pretty well! Reply with quote

After some scrubbing and careful work, I have KDE 3.5.10 working just fine on my system. Yes it's old, yes it lacks eye candy of all kinds, that's a feature, not a bug. I can run kde4 apps (for example ktorrent and k3b) no problem, but I let the 3.5 version of kwin running everything. The nice thing about it is that it's blazingly fast.

Some pointers to do this:

- You have to emerge layman, and add (laymam -a) kde-sunset.
- This gives you a 3.5 slot for kde apps (e.g. emerge konqueror:3.5)
- There's kde-meta:3.5 (wow! I didn't realize just how little I use of it!) as well
- Enable both qt3 and qt4 use flags.
- You have to choose between avahi and mDNSResponder, as kdelibs requires one or the other. I eventually was forced to ditch avahi (which is required by googleearth), because it caused a cascade of problems I never could solve (having to do with hal).

Pretty much everything works.

For the record I'm using:
Code:

jesnow@Armstrong ~ $ equery list hal gcc dbus xorg-server
 * Searching for hal ...
[I-O] [  ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.14-r4:0

 * Searching for gcc ...
[IP-] [  ] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1:4.5

 * Searching for dbus ...
[IP-] [  ] sys-apps/dbus-1.4.16:0

 * Searching for xorg-server ...
[IP-] [  ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.11.2-r2:0



Anybody have any tips?

I've gotten a lot of negative reaction on this point from people who apparently take it personally that anybody would choose not to use kde 4. Please do not post here on the topic of how moving to kde 4 is the solution to any problem.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a 'kde3 fans' thread halfway down the page. Might be a good one to add you findings to?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have stayed with kde-3.5.

I can run the good kde4 apps e.g. okular, okteta, k3b, even dolphin.
from within kde3

I have removed hal and I use uam for automounting USBs and CDs

Recently I had a hitch with kdelibs-3.5 after an autoupdate of libpcre
but easily solved.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-911958.html

No good reason to move over to kde4 yet.

I have kde4 on a test machine to keep an eye on developments.
Konsole4 is better, I also like the idea of workspaces but I hate
the useless Neponuke/Aconadi/strigi/soprano/semantic crap that
slows the machine to a crawl. If you want Kmail you cannot disable them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question, is the kde-sunset overlay pointing to trinitydesktop new releases?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentooP4 wrote:
Theres a 'kde3 fans' thread halfway down the page. Might be a good one to add you findings to?


I started that thread, but people were flaming each other and kde3, I'm hoping the title of this thread will be less inflammatory to those who think kde4 is the Only True Way.

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I hate the useless Neponuke/Aconadi/strigi/soprano/semantic crap that slows the machine to a crawl.


Amen!

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I have a question, is the kde-sunset overlay pointing to trinitydesktop new releases?


No, this is just legacy KDE3 with updates to keep it emerging. Thanks by the way, many thanks to the people (who I don't know) who are doing the work in kde-sunset.

From what I've been able to glean, kde-sunset will never advance beyond 3.5.10. TDE is on 3.5.13 already, and I presume that we gentoo people will someday have a migration path. Currently I know of no ebuild for Trinity at all. I certainly don't want to have that be my first try at ebuild writing.

Any comment from kde-sunset maintainers?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a separate partition with a Gentoo install.
I'm getting sick of kde4,guess I'll try installing 3.5 from kde-sunset.
Two years ago I installed kde-3.5.10 on my wife's lappy,never any problem.
.xsession-errors is ~500 bytes,compare that to all the 50kb nonsense you get in kde4.
I'll keep you posted.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well no luck.
kdelibs failed to compile.
hal-0.5.14-r4 nowhere to be found.
It's late here,I'll try again tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've decided to forget about kde3.
Too much hassle.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerard82 wrote:
Well no luck.
kdelibs failed to compile.
hal-0.5.14-r4 nowhere to be found.
It's late here,I'll try again tomorrow.
Gerard.


This is a real problem -- hal is in the overlay but not in any of the overlay repositories.

Quote:

jesnow@Armstrong ~ $ equery list hal -po
* Searching for hal ...
[I-O] [ ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.14-r4:0


The files you need are:
/usr/portage/distfiles/hal-0.5.14.tar.bz2
/usr/portage/distfiles/hal-0.5.14-gentoo-patches-5.tar.bz2
/usr/portage/distfiles/hal-info-20091130.tar.gz
/usr/portage/distfiles/hal-0.5.14-gentoo-patches-4.tar.bz2

They are not easy to find at the moment. I found them finally, but they need to be put in the kde-sunset overlay repository.

Does anybody know how to contact the kde-sunset maintainers?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,

i am one of the maintainers of kde-sunset.
hal and hal-info are in the overlay since January. Only source-packages are not available on the mirrors. I accidentally moved them on my server to the trinity-overlay instead of symlinking. I will ask the other mirror-maintainers to sync those files again. The should already be availabe again via emerge or you can pull those files via http://mirror.hasnoname.de/kde-sunset/ .

greetings,
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it looks like there will be a separate trinity overlay. I'm guessing that I will migrate to that as soon as it's available.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After strowi's post I tried again.
Hal compiles ok now but I can't get kdelibs to compile.
I am getting fed up with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerard82 wrote:
After strowi's post I tried again.
Hal compiles ok now but I can't get kdelibs to compile.
I am getting fed up with it.
Gerard.


You have to keyword kdelibs to get -r10

I hate "works for me" type answers, but I have it running on three machines here, pretty sure it will work. The usual method is to post emerge --info and a build log. At least the part where it blows up.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jesnow wrote:
gentooP4 wrote:
Theres a 'kde3 fans' thread halfway down the page. Might be a good one to add you findings to?


I started that thread, but people were flaming each other and kde3, I'm hoping the title of this thread will be less inflammatory to those who think kde4 is the Only True Way.


Fair play. People should be free to use what they want imo

proteusx wrote:
I hate the useless Neponuke/Aconadi/strigi/soprano/semantic crap that
slows the machine to a crawl. If you want Kmail you cannot disable them.


Yeah, I have had to part company with Kmail and remove all that crap. "-semantic-desktop" useflag, etc. I'm now using Claws, it's not pretty, but it works.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read that there's a new DE:razor-qt.
I think I'll try that instead of kde3.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know. I have an old netbook with KDE3.5.9 on it and I'm reluctant to upgrade it as I fear it won't run KDE4. Thing is, can I do this overlay thing whit an already running install? Nothing against KDE4, running it on the desktop and laptop (with Claws and -semantic-desktop) but the netbook is another thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys.

If you are still interested in where to get hal dependencies, take a look at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-906838-highlight-.html
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a new install with razorqt as DE.
Looks promising as a replacement for kde3.
Still too early to say it would be what I'm looking for.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi guys.

If you are still interested in where to get hal dependencies, take a look at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-906838-highlight-.html


They should be back in the overlay repositories. I haven't checked -- are they there?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I installed razorqt together with kwin and kdm.
I wanted to have the same windows as in KDE is why I used kwin.
To make logging in easier I also installed kdm.
I am quite pleased with it so far.
I want to install a lot more applications and if it pans out ok it'll be my desktop on my work install.
.xsession-errors complains about authentications,I'm going to investigate.
That's all I have in .xsession-errors,compared to the endless worthless crap in kde-4 this is a relief.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerard82 wrote:
Well I installed razorqt together with kwin and kdm.
I wanted to have the same windows as in KDE is why I used kwin.
To make logging in easier I also installed kdm.
I am quite pleased with it so far.
I want to install a lot more applications and if it pans out ok it'll be my desktop on my work install.
.xsession-errors complains about authentications,I'm going to investigate.
That's all I have in .xsession-errors,compared to the endless worthless crap in kde-4 this is a relief.
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In the meantime, this is a thread about KDE3. I'm glad you like razor-qt, I may check it out myself, perhaps you could start a new thread about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry jesnow.
I didn't mean to hijack your thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is nice that KDE3 is still working for *some* people, but 'pretty well' is probably an exaggeration unless you add '...for me' to the topic - look into the old KDE3 thread to see that one of its main advocates in this forum has at last given up on it.

Btw Martin Gräßlin, one of the main kwin developers, has some valid points to add about the Trinity Project: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/having-a-look-at-the-oldnew-desktop-environments/

He also suggests razorqt for those who seek a Qt4 alternative to KDE4.

For a less outdated KDE3, interested users can look into CentOS which seems to provide the old KDE3 codebase with security updates and still keeps the old HAL around.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a RazorQt thread here
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

genstorm wrote:
It is nice that KDE3 is still working for *some* people, but 'pretty well' is probably an exaggeration unless you add '...for me' to the topic - look into the old KDE3 thread to see that one of its main advocates in this forum has at last given up on it.
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Once something breaks that I can't do without I will drop kde3. I have kde3 running on 3 very different systems, and it all works.

Thanks for the pointers to trinity, CentOS and razor-qt, which I think most people here also know about. As I have said, this is a thread for people who are still keeping their KDE3 running and don't want to switch yet.

Mr. Gräßlin divides us into three groups: "Haters", "Lightweights" and "classics". Fair enough. Let me add "retros" who have their machine working just fine thank you, and won't move if they don't have to. Gentoo is *designed* to give us this freedom, nicht wahr?

Thanks,

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