New kernel wont boot - how to find the reason

m.s.w

Hi,
I was using 2.6.36 gentoo-sources. Decided to udpate to 2.6.38 (r-2, r5). The usuall method of update I use, and was always workin was to copy .config file from previous source tree to the new kernel source directory and then "make menuconfig", and the rest of required steps (update lilo.conf, copy bzImage etc.)
I use lilo as a boot manager.
It alway worked, bot not this time. This time it starts to load kernel and the screen goes black - nothing happens, machine is locked. I think it is locked. After cold reboot i see no trace of the failed boot in syslog. It appears to me, that it stops just at the moment when it should load uvesafb drivers (framebuffer).
My question is how can I find out what is wrong? Because there is no log entry of the failed boot I can't be 100% sure at what point this boot process stops and I would like to find out.
What would you do if it would happened to you?
I have the possibility to boot into previous kernel, so I have acces to my machine, I can always revert to previous kernel, but you know - what a hell, why can't I use latest available kerneL?

Things I know are the same in new kernel, and in previous kernel:
- root file system compiled in the kernel as it was before update
- drivers - of main components - the same
- no new hardware

Best Regards,
m.s.w
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cach0rr0 · Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 6:59 am Post subject:

recent X depends on KMS
KMS and framebuffer drivers do not work together - having both causes this exact issue

You should enable KMS for your card within your kernel (labeled as "automatic modesetting" or some such, underneath the Direct Rendering Manager menu), and disable uvesafb
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m.s.w · Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:02 am Post subject:

WOW!
That's a fast reply. Thanks for the tip - I will check it.

m.s.w
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m.s.w · Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject:

At first I didn't exactly knew what are you talking about, so I was excited that I have a quick and simple solution. But now I read some about KMS and it appears that I have to use non-KMS system because I have nVidia adapter and I use nvidia drivers. So unfortunately I still don't know how to resolve the problem.
Anyone has some ideas of how to find out what is the problem?
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Bircoph · Apprentice Joined: 27 Jun 2008 Posts: 241

Try to use vga (text mode) console.
It works on my nvidia-gpu system with 2.6.37.4, haven't updated to 2.6.38 yet.
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m.s.w · Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:43 am Post subject:

v_andal · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:16 am Post subject:

billium · Apprentice Joined: 22 Mar 2003 Posts: 167

It may be the way you are summarising in the text above, but do you copy your old .config file to the new Kernel directory & 'make oldconfig' before 'make menuconfig'?

m.s.w · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject:

I am returning to this topic, because I have never resolved it. I just used plain text mode. But again, I would like to solve it. Can you help?
This time, with kernel gentoo-sources-3.3.0 i get

BillWho · Veteran Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 1576 Location: US

m.s.w,

Strange problem indeed. I've traversed up the kernel versions without incident until recently. The only one I have a problem with now is linux-3.4-rc1.

Did you make oldconfig? For each updated kernel that's the first thing I do. If there were no functional additions, then it just drops out when completed. Otherwise you'll be prompted to answer whether or not you want to include the new support or not.

Did you compile the nvidia drivers for the new kernel? I have a script that builds the kernel, nvidia and vbox modules so I don't forget anything.

Did you try booting to runlevel 3? That might help with narrowing down the problem.

Just some thoughts for lack of any brilliant revelations

Hu · Watchman Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 7607

In the original part of the thread, the OP indicated an intent to use the proprietary nVidia drivers. OP, do you still use them? If so, does the problem occur even if you remove the proprietary drivers?

m.s.w · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:47 am Post subject:

Hi !
Thank you for your input.
To answer some of your questions: I always boot to runlevel 3 (I dont use any login managers). Screen goes black exactly after initialization of a kernel at the point of loading v86d. I don't have nvidia compiled in kernel. I use proprietary nVidia drivers. But removing them doesn't help much.
So, at the moment, I can't use framebuffer for some reason, I can't use KMS because i have nVidia, so I am left with simple text console with huge letters. This is baaaaad. To be honest - i know i can start x and use any *-term (I use aterm) for work. But hey - each problem can be solved in Linux right? I am sure that here are many persons with the same graphic card and the same kernel and they have no problem with fb. Or am I so uniqe?

Best Regards,
m.s.w
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Hu · Watchman Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 7607

As far as I know, you must use the framebuffer if you use KMS. You must use the framebuffer to get a high resolution text mode. I am unsure whether KMS is required to use the framebuffer. I always enable KMS because of its other advantages. KMS works well on my nVidia-based card. I do not use the proprietary nVidia drivers. I suggest you try removing them, enabling framebuffer KMS, and checking whether the result behaves as you expect.

m.s.w · Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject:

Nope,
v86d can't be loaded. Framebuffer doesn't work at all. I'm stuck. Don't know what to check/change. I wonder if some error messages concerning locales during reemerging of klibc may have soemthing to do with it.

m.s.w
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Gusar · Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject:

You could try compiling v86d dynamically, that is not with klibc. Or you use vesafb instead of uvesafb.

toralf · Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:19 am Post subject:

And what's about using the "vga=..." grub kernel command line parameter ?

ultraslinky · Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:30 am Post subject:

m.s.w, have you tried the nouveau drivers? I tried them on my desktop with an Nvidia 9800GT and also the console was displaying in high resolution

DirtyHairy · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:34 am Post subject:

Also, you might try to go for the old-fashioned vesa kernel framebuffer driver instead of uvesafb which does not require anything from userland. The downside is that you may not get all resolutions that your monitor supports.

DaggyStyle · Advocate Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 4735

I don't know if it is related but gentoo kernel upgrade guide states that when taking a old .config and inserting it into a newer kernel, one must run "make oldconfig".

if you haven't done that, I'd suggest you'll start the upgrade again and this time run the command I mentioned.
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