Trinity fork of KDE-3

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: Trinity fork of KDE-3

Is anyone out there playing with Trinity yet? I downloaded the source, but I'd like to see if someone of a more code-based background than I is playing with ebuilds to make it happen in a removable sort of way.

Cheers,
Pappy
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miket · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:36 am Post subject: Looking for Trinity

I find scattered messages about it. The kde-sunset developers seem to have concluded that they want to start a new overlay for Trinity. I'm not completely convinced that's the best thing to do, but that's seems to be the consensus.

They would like to make it so that we could avoid having Gentoo-specific patches, preferring to submit them to upstream. That's a good policy for bug fixes and improvements, but still there would likely be distribution-specific patches that could be applied (slotting, branding, Gentoo web shortcuts, and the like).

Considering that Tim Pearson has made it that Trinity can be installed in the same machine as KDE4 and is keeping things up to date, I harbor the hope that it might some day make it into the Portage tree.

I'm really looking forward to these ebuilds. Serghei's even making it so that Trinity will build with cmake, just as KDE 4 does.

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject:

Cool. I hope to see an overlay sooner rather than later so I can start playing with trinity.

Cheers,
Pappy
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Steven_M · n00b Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 1

I would also love it if Trinity was available for Gentoo. I'd particularly like to see it in the portage tree.

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wrc1944 · Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject:

I was looking around on Distrowatch, and saw the Porteus-1.0 Slackware 13.37 based distro, which is a fork of the apparently abandoned Slax project.

It's not really meant to be installed to a hard drive, but run as a Live CD or from flash drive, and there is a "Trinity" kde3 version which I found remarkably cool. It even auto-detected my (r8712u driver) USB wireless adapter rig like magic- Most other distros, even mainstreams like Fedora or Arch failed on that one.

Much better than the old Slax (IMO), with a new beautifully done GUI. They've really made the most of an up-to-date kde-3.5.12 with a new 2.6.38.8 kernel , so much so that I'm considering devoting a partition to a "Trinity" based "legacy kde3" Gentoo install. Should be great fun.

The Trinity 3.5.12 is only availble in the 32 bit version- a stripped down kde-4.6.3 is also available with 64 bit.

The point of this post is that anyone interested in Trinity should burn the Porteus live 32 bit cd (less than 300mb), boot with the "copy-to-ram" option, and take a look at a lighting fast default kde3 Trinity distro very finely implemented.

In my case, I rediscovered how great kde3 was (and still is). This little Porteus is so good it has become my portable "live linux cd" of choice.

Many thanks to the Trinity maintainers for keeping kde3 going.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=porteus

http://porteus.org/info/features.html
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pappy_mcfae · Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:27 am Post subject:

wrc1944,

Thanks for the info.

Cheers,
Pappy
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i92guboj · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:00 am Post subject:

Out of curiosity, I was playing a bit with this today and found that, while trinity is a .12, the kde-sunset overlay holds only ebuilds for .10. Does anyone around know if there's any plan to continue supporting this overlay?

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:13 am Post subject:

kde-sunset is maintained. I just updated. It does contain only kde-3.5.10.

I have read that trinity is going to be named TDE in portage. I have read a few other things that make me think there are some people who really want to get it going, but for some reason I haven't found yet. It's not in portage, as of this date.

When I tried out the kubuntu trinity version, it was using hal. Perhaps part of the problem is that hal has been consigned to the Gentoo scrap heap for all but the most stubborn of souls. That's only a guess.

It would be really nice to have a better KDE-3.x. kde-4 is far too bloated and buggy for my tastes.

Cheers,
Pappy
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i92guboj · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:47 am Post subject:

Oh, I see. Thanks for your work and for your answer.

I also looked around the internet and found about "TDE", but nothing concrete around. So, I guess you have no plans to add more recent trinity versions to kde-sunset. Is that because you are happy with .10 or is it due to lack of manpower or something else?

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pappy_mcfae · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject:

If the only issue is qt3, why not use qt3meta, like in the kde-sunset overlay? It still works, even years after Gentoo dropped KDE-3.

Cheers,
Pappy
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Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

Their logo really should be the KDE cog with a bear in it (TDE, Teddy, geddit? :lol:

... Okay I'll leave... >_>)

Gusar · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject:

s0ltys · n00b Joined: 25 Mar 2009 Posts: 23

It seems there is overlay for trinity: https://github.com/serghei/kde-trinity/ but it's really ugly to use (no metapackets).

i92guboj · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject:

I saw that overlay already, but since it requires hal (and hal can't be installed without messing my system) I will probably have to wait until a hal-less version arrives.

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:02 am Post subject:

So, that will work with hal? Hmm. I have hal still installed on this machine (xorg-server-1.7.7-r1 requires it, as does KDE3), which also still lives on this machine. If I had a second machine like this one, I'd be up for experimenting. All my other machines are running with xorg-server-1.9.5, which doesn't use hal. I don't think things would work all that well.

I guess I wait.

Cheers,
Pappy
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i92guboj · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:31 am Post subject:

It seems to require hal, yes. The problem is that hal and upower are blockers so it's not as easy as just installing the packages and be done with it. Not that upower is vital for me (this is a desktop) but I suspect that after I remove that blocker some others will show up. In any case, I will keep the overlay around and pull the updates every few days, just to see what's going on.

Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

Does it? I still have x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.7-r1 and kde-3.5.10 on my system but don't have hal or dbus...!

i92guboj · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:26 am Post subject:

Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

Yeah, that's a bit weird... maybe the way they're doing things it was just easier to keep hal as a dep until they tidy up the code some...

I actually want to get rid of KDE tho' so I'll take your word for it rather than risk messing my system up further :mrgreen:

i92guboj · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject:

It seems it reached 3.5.13 finally, that's good news!

http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13

dalek · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:

Is this going to be in the kde-sunset overlay or a separate overlay? I'm only assuming it won't be in the main tree.

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devsk · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject:

Why hang on to something that is old? Is the guy going to maintain the older versions of all dependent packages (like QT) as well? This seems like a borken path full of potholes and security holes all over.

BTW, 4.7.2 works great for me. Better than 3.5.10 in every way.